Returning Garands and Carbines from Korea

[GreyCoupe]

I read that yesterday the President signed an order denying return of >1 million M1 Garands and Carbines Korea is seeking to return to the US. These weapons were shipped there during the Korean war and subsequently for training purposes.

While I am not surprised at his actions, does the President have the power to deny the return of these weapons? On what basis?

Seems to me these WWll pieces ought to go directly to CMP for refurbishment, grading, and sale to the public...who paid for them in the first place.

 

[bigfatdave]

this is seriously old news, and there's a lot more to the story than "teh obamatron is takin are gunz!"

 

[BBDartCA]

Recent article here.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=371401

 

[GreyCoupe]

Well the article came out Saturday evening, so it doesn't seem like ancient history...

I guess my question is does anyone think litigation will successfully overturn the President's action? With precedent set on the return of these weapons to citizens, a la CMP, should not these rifles follow the same path?

 

[ThePlato]

It seems the article is also pointing out that movements are close to making a official drive to the have the rifles imported.

It also notes that the ATF calling the M1 Garands and M1 Carbines "dangerous blah blah blah" is a veiled attempt at back-door gun control.

If they were so dangerous why is the federal government selling them to qualified shooters?

CMP baby!

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Korea was claiming these guns were bought by Korea and wanted to sell them to importers.

The dispute was supposed to be that these guns were loans and by rights are US property. Which would imply they should be returned to the US. And would be sold to civilians through the CMP.

Then Hillary and ATF started the "flooding the streets with assault weapons" objection. Or the "these are too old and dangerous to shoot" objection.

So which is it?

 

[bigfatdave]

really?
this isn't even a hard one to search for

http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=24537
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2010/08/is-obama-administration-blocking-import.html
http://volokh.com/2010/08/18/obama-bans-over-100000-rifles/
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-541535.html
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-549080.html
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=544668
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=541772

 

[KsThumper]

my question is does anyone think litigation will successfully overturn the President's action?

January 20, 2013

 

[GreyCoupe]

Thanks. Didn't mean to be redundant.

 

[MAKster]

These guns are supposedly in bad condition and would be below rack grade according to the CMP.

 

[Murphy4570]

These guns are supposedly in bad condition and would be below rack grade according to the CMP.

Having one is better than having none.

I wouldn't mind grabbing 2-3 if they price them around $200 a pop, if they're in terrible condition.

Three functioning firearms is better than a single pretty safe queen. I prefer my milsurps to look "well-used" anyways.

 

[Alex23]

Old news about old guns that are old hat.

 

[Deus Machina]

I wouldn't mind grabbing 2-3 if they price them around $200 a pop, if they're in terrible condition.

Yeah, what does a normal rack-grade go for? If they cycle and fire, I'd buy them at $200 as long as my paychecks hold out. For that much, they would make a great 'barebones gun' to rebarrel and refinish.

 

[Justin]

Having one is better than having none.

I wouldn't mind grabbing 2-3 if they price them around $200 a pop, if they're in terrible condition.

Three functioning firearms is better than a single pretty safe queen. I prefer my milsurps to look "well-used" anyways.

There's a difference between a beater rifle and one that has mechanical issues. A $200 Garand is no kind of deal if the barrel is shot out, the sights won't adjust properly, or some of the small parts are broken.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

FYI--I have a re-import from So Ko brought in commercially and paid 299.00 US in 1990 prior to the prohib on such. So Ko claims these were sold oughtright to them (they were at 3 bucks a pop). Long story short, yes I want to see them re-patriated too---but the So Ko Army beat the absolute tar out these things and they will all likely need to be re-gassed and re barreled. So in other words, that 550.00 CMP rack grade will likiely be a FAR better ready-to-use option from the starting gate for now

But, yes of course without question--we should repat all we can as those receivers could not be made today to the same standard for less than a couple grand as things stand. And once more, they are being held for ransom by hands unworthy that desire gold; they weren't made for gold and desrve better. Just be grateful for the CMP and the absolute miracle of the weapons that they have saved in just the last five years---twenty years ago NO ONE would have believed that magic could have been performed in such a political environment.

 

[Shadow 7D]

I thought some of these were basically rearselaled and put up in storage barrels for the citizens if the north invaded. So I would think they are in decent condition.

 

[AABEN]

You can buy a kit that has most of the parts to put itin working order.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

You can buy a kit that has most of the parts to put itin working order.

Hey--if you've got a line on such PLEASE tell us where to get one: Garand parts are getting VERY expensive anymore (esp. gas parts).

Thanks-MB

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

If they sold for $299 and listed "as is" would you buy one? I would. The receiver is worth that. Building one with whatever parts ARE good and then adding the rest would still build one a nice rifle.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Thats what I was thinking. A usable receiver and stock, and possibly FCG, with the rest scrapped, would still be worth a couple Benjamin's.

 

[Gunnerboy]

OH NO not clip fed semi automatic baby killing assault guns runnning amuck in the hands of American terrorists , that makes me laugh about that B.S. of a 70 year old rifle that takes a clip being an assault rifle, sure would be nice to get some of those old abused M1 parts.

 

[lemaymiami]

One of those beat up old carbines would sure make a serious CQB vehicle defense weapon....

 

[Orlando]

Even if they were beat up they would never sell for $200.00-$300.00 . Where are you guys getting these prices??
Importers are going to sell them for the absolute highest price they can get out of them.

 

[ThePlato]

Well guys there you have it. The Government has ended the debate for us. AR-15's legal, imported M1 Garands = WMD.

So taking this logic further.

M1 Garand > AR-15

 

[bigdogpete]

At the very least more parts would be available. CMP doesn't even offer rack grades or SG's online. They are starting to dry up. If our current administration gets these rifles. We will never see them.

bigdog