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http://www.reuters.com/article/reut...9120080111?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0


Bernd Debusmann is a Reuters columnist. The opinions expressed are his own

By Bernd Debusmann

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Is America, land of shooting massacres in schools and public places, slowly falling out of love with guns?

The answer is yes, and it runs counter to popular perceptions of the United States as a country where most citizens are armed to the teeth and believe it is every American's inalienable right to buy an AK 47-style assault rifle with the minimum of bureaucratic paperwork.

But in fact, gun ownership in the United States has been declining steadily over more than three decades, relegating gun owners to minority status.

At the same time, support for stricter gun controls has been growing steadily and those in favor make up a majority.

This is a little-reported phenomenon but the trend is shown clearly by statistics compiled by the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center (NORC), which has been tracking gun ownership and attitudes on firearms since 1972, the longest-running survey on the subject in the United States.

The number of households with guns dropped from a high of 54 percent in 1977 to 34.5 percent in 2006, according to NORC, and the percentage of Americans who reported personally owning a gun has shrunk to just under 22 percent.

So, by the rules of democratic play, one might assume that the majority would have major influence on legislation. But that's not how it works, thanks to the enormous influence of the gun lobby.

The long-term decline monitored by the Chicago survey has buoyed proponents of tighter gun controls. "America's gun culture is fading," says Josh Sugarmann, who heads the Washington-based Violence Policy Center.

According to Sugarmann, those keeping the culture alive and those most vocal in resisting tighter regulations are white, middle-aged men whose enthusiasm for firearms, hunting and shooting is not shared by younger Americans.

Yet, at the moment it's difficult to imagine the U.S. without its gun culture.

But then, who could have imagined France with a ban on smoking in public places, Germany with speed limits on almost half its autobahns, or a black man as a serious contender in this year's presidential elections in the United States?

To what extent gun ownership will continue to shrink depends, at least in part, on a decision by the U.S. Supreme court expected this summer. The court will rule on one of the most acrimonious disputes in the United States: do Americans have the constitutional right to own and bear arms?

GUN RAMPAGES PART OF LIFE

At the heart of the long-running debate, argued with more passion than almost any other, is the meaning of the U.S. constitution's second amendment.

Written 219 years ago, it says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

A string of lower court rulings over several decades held that the amendment meant to guarantee the collective right of state militias, not individual citizens. Such rulings have had limited impact: gun regulations vary from state to state and in most, weapons are easy to buy and legal to keep.

There are a few exceptions: handguns are illegal in Chicago and in Washington, where a court ruled in December that its total ban violated the constitution. That is the case the Supreme Court will take up this year.

No matter how it rules, the court's decision is unlikely to make much immediate difference to the mass shootings by unhinged citizens that have become part of American life.

Gun rampages happen with such numbing regularity -- on average one every three weeks in 2007 -- that they barely make news unless the death toll climbs into double digits, as happened at the Virginia Tech university. There, a student with mental problems killed 32 of his peers and himself.

President George W. Bush this week signed into law a bill meant to prevent people with a record of mental disease from buying weapons.

Virginia Tech was the worst school shooting in U.S. history and rekindled the debate over the easy availability of guns in America. There are more private firearms in the United States than anywhere else in the world -- at least 200 million.

While that arsenal has been growing every year, the proportion of U.S. households where guns are held has been shrinking. In other words: Fewer people have more guns.

One estimate, by the National Police Foundation, says that 10 percent of the country's adults own roughly three quarters of all firearms.

PREVENTION, NOT CURE

That is the hard core, which counts on the gun lobby, chief of all the National Rifle Association (NRA), to throttle attempts to impose restrictions on the sale of firearms.

The NRA, a group that claims some 3 million members, calls itself "America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights" and backs candidates for political office on their stand on one issue -- gun ownership -- regardless of party affiliation.

Politicians tend to pander to the NRA, some more shamelessly than others. One of the Republican candidates for the 2008 presidential race, Mitt Romney, went so far as to falsely claim that he was a lifelong hunter and had received an official NRA endorsement in 2002.

Small wonder, then, that the debates following every shooting massacre tend to focus not on the easy availability of guns but on preventive security measures.

Metal detectors at the entrances of shopping malls, for example. Or bullet-proof backpacks. They were developed in the wake of the 1999 shooting at Columbine High School, where two teenagers killed 12 students and teachers and then themselves.

The Columbine-inspired backpacks went on sale in August and have sold briskly. "Sales picked up considerably in the Christmas period," said Mike Pelonzi, one of the two men -- both fathers -- who designed and market them. "Our market is expanding."

(You can contact the author at Debusmann@Reuters com) (Editing by Sean Maguire)
 
And this is the email I sent him at his Reuters address.

Mr. Bernd Debusmann,

While I disagree wholeheartedly with nearly every word of your recent column, thankfully the Bill of Rights incorporated into the US Constitution allows you to express yourself freely. Similarly, the Second Amendment to the Constitution preserves my right to keep and bear arms as an individual. While some misinformed individuals may argue the meaning of the Second Amendment, if the term "the people" in the Second is the meant to somehow mean "the militia" then clearly "the people" in the First Amendment is meant to mean "Congress" using the same logic. Fortunately, polls of Americans, in something somewhat contrary to what your opinion piece would suggest, consistently believe that when the Bill of Rights says "the people" it actually means the people, and not some government institution. Strange.

You also go on to state your opinion that gun culture is declining, where as I see the absolute opposite. I'm a young, college educated male living in California. Perhaps the most anti-gun state in the Union, at least Southern California, at the least. I do legally own guns and have brought several other young people of college backgrounds, different ethnicities, and varied points of view to the gun range with me and each has unequivocally loved it and all, of course, believe strongly in the Second Amendment and what it means.

You sir, are of course free to continue expressing your opinion and I shall express mine. The law of the land shall reflect who is right.




Respectfully,


Robert :D
Los Angeles


A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.

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--- Thomas Jefferson

*Smiley added to block my last name for the moment.
 
But then, who could have imagined France with a ban on smoking in public places, Germany with speed limits on almost half its autobahns, or a black man as a serious contender in this year's presidential elections in the United States?
He says all of these things like they're good things. :scrutiny:

Just kidding about Obama.
 
Hmmm.....470,000 valid Florida CCWs in 2008 vs a few hundred in 1977. Yep, he's right. Gun ownership is going the way of the Dodo.
 
At the same time, support for stricter gun controls has been growing steadily and those in favor make up a majority.

This is a little-reported phenomenon but the trend is shown clearly by statistics compiled by the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center (NORC), which has been tracking gun ownership and attitudes on firearms since 1972, the longest-running survey on the subject in the United States.


It's the Reuters, what would you expect? This organization believes they can shape public opinion with misinformation, i guess sometimes it works.
 
At the same time, support for stricter gun controls has been growing steadily and those in favor make up a majority.

This is a little-reported phenomenon but the trend is shown clearly by statistics compiled by the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center (NORC), which has been tracking gun ownership and attitudes on firearms since 1972, the longest-running survey on the subject in the United States.

Never make the mistake of believing statistics and opinion polls....especially if the subject is as deeply mired in political agendas as gun control. The results of a poll could run 3 to 1 against gun control but if the organization sponsoring the poll wants it show support for gun control you can bet your wallet thats what the numbers will show. As Mark Twain once famously paraphrased...."Lies, damned lies and statistics".
 
I read this article earlier today. It's so wrong it's not even funny. Americans are buying guns less? What episode of the Twilight Zone did this goober step out of? We're buying guns MORE and recreational shooting is INCREASING. The fight for less gun control laws is on the RISE. His article must have been written on Opposite Day.
 
One of the Republican candidates for the 2008 presidential race, Mitt Romney, went so far as to falsely claim that he was a lifelong hunter and had received an official NRA endorsement in 2002.

This depiction is, at least, accurate.
 
You have to see this for what it is.

The MSM is priming the pump for gun control because they believe the Dems are going to control the House, the Senate and the White House soon.

The Dems have backed away from gun control since 2000 only because they believe it cost Al Gore the presidency.

Once "they" are back in control again, you can expect them to return to the anti-gun zeal of the 1990s and editorials like this are simply foreshadowing of the coming move by the Dems back to overt gun control.

The MSM's role in this is to revive the so-called clamor by the people for more gun control (or more to the point the illusion of said clamor) because the Dems have to make the return to the anti-gun zeal appear to be the will if the people and not "ok, now that we're back in power we don't care that the people don't actually support our position".
 
It's the Reuters, what would you expect? This organization believes they can shape public opinion with misinformation, i guess sometimes it works.

Reuters is a British-owned "news" agency and has a long history of anti-gun attitudes and America bashing (they had a scandel about a year or two ago after they faked some photos showing the Israelis bombing residential districts in Lebanon, and were caught using al-quida members to 'confirm' stories of american misdeeds in Iraq). Why anyone would be surprised that they would print this BS?
 
The propaganda machine of freedom hating people never sleeps. You say things long enough, and people start to believe them.

GUN RAMPAGES PART OF LIFE

Shootings aren't all that common but I'd much rather deal with a guy carrying a backpack full of guns than one full of explosives that countries who deny their citizens the right of self protection seemed plagued by.

It's funny but as more people realize the police are not there to protect them, my requests for CCW permit training has gone up, not down.

But why mix fact with fiction.
 
And as far as "polling" showing the slow decline of gun owners goes, I always tell random pollsters I come across how many guns I own...

Don't you? :scrutiny:

But seriously, there may be some truth to this with the increasing urbanification of America. However, as the percentage of gun owners or gun households goes down, the total number is probably still higher every day than it was ever before. ;)

The left likes to point out that both Gore and Kerry also broke records for the popular vote, fortunately we live in a Republic. So as far as I'm concerned, that's a two-way street, and the nature of our Republic and limited democracy serves us "minority" gun owners just fine too. :D
 
GUN RAMPAGES PART OF MAINSTREAM MEDIA HEADLINES, BUT IN FACT NOT THAT COMMON; RAMPAGES PERPETRATED BY PERCENTAGE OF GUN OWNERS IN US IS SUCH A SMALL FRACTION AS TO BE STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT

There, I fixed it for him.

The percentage of voter turnout has been declining for years, too, but I don't see him advocating overturning THAT right. Nevermind the damage some of our elected officials have done with their 'mandates'; might as well classify some of them as 'lethal weapons.'

JM
 
There are a few exceptions: handguns are illegal in Chicago and in Washington, where a court ruled in December that its total ban violated the constitution. That is the case the Supreme Court will take up this year.

And both are shining examples of how well gun control works...right? :banghead:

Nice try bubble -boy. Try leaving the coffee house and talking to real people, those outside of your little liberal urban enclave.
 
He just wants people to like him, and spouting anti-gun babble is the best way to do it right now.
 
But seriously, there may be some truth to this with the increasing urbanification of America

Urbanization doesn't equal lack of gun ownership. While the increase in urbanization has certainly resulted in a decrease of hunting, I think it has caused an increase in purchases of AWs and handguns- guns that are more conducive to urban pacification than say, grandpa's squirrel gun. But then again, hunting is a sport. So if your barometer for gun ownership and 2A support is how many people hunt (probably how the antis measure it), then of course gun ownership appears to be eroding; not as many people hunt as they used to. However, if you measure handgun and AW purchases as well as range attendance, I think you (plural) would see that many more people own guns than ever before.
 
So, by the rules of democratic play, one might assume that the majority would have major influence on legislation. But that's not how it works, thanks to the enormous influence of the gun lobby.

Why stop at gun rights? Lets take away protection from anyone that isn't Caucasian, Christian, male or heterosexual. They're the majority, screw the minority! :rolleyes:

Is this really the mentality people in the UK have?
 
According to Sugarmann, those keeping the culture alive and those most vocal in resisting tighter regulations are white, middle-aged men whose enthusiasm for firearms, hunting and shooting is not shared by younger Americans.

I was under the impression that all the people at my gun club are young, and a good many of them some shade of brown. Glad he cleared that up for me.
 
enthusiasm for firearms, hunting and shooting is not shared by younger Americans

Again I have to ask, what the hell does enthusiasm have to do with it? Just because excessive government regulation and population pressure has made it much more difficult to own and utilize firearms, that does not invalidate the right to KEEP AND BEAR!

Unholy gods! Overturn the 2nd or stop flapping your windbag!

@!#$()&*@$

jm
 
Although I don't agree with him I'll give him credit for using the term "assult rifle" to describe an AK-47.

This made me think of a conversation I had with some coworkers who knew next to nothing about firearms. One posed a question regarding the definition of an "assult weapon". I told him it was a term made up by the anti-gunners and the journalists too lazy to research weapons. I said listen to the news... How many times will you hear someone in the Middle East/Iraq use the term "assult weapon"....

This made my coworkers think.
 
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