dh1633pm
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Only advice I can add, if the gunsmith can return your pistol quickly, go elsewhere.
Revolver Gunsmith Recommendations?
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The appeal to me is I learned to shoot accurately in PPC, the winners shot double action, only. At 50 yards my scores improved enough to put me on the winners platform. At 7 yards, I was putting all 12 in the X ring. The DOA allows me to control the trigger through the entire stroke.
I much prefer a proper polishing to messing with the springs but it seems you understand DAO,
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Oh I understand the benefits of shooting in double action, what I don’t understand is the preference for a gun that is ONLY double action. If you don’t want to shoot single action then don’t cock the hammer, why invest money to remove that feature? I’m curious if there is a benefit to having a revolver that only operates in double action that perhaps I’m just ignorant of?
Again, just truly curious if I’ve just missed something.
UncleEd
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This is the discussion I'm looking for.
A DA/SA revolver can have as good
a consistent DA weight/pull with or
without the SA feature.
(Earlier I mentioned a chief reason for
SAO was a police requirement to avoid
negligent discharges.)
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chicharrones
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It definitely has its place in a short range defense revolver. Much like a DAO autoloader with no hammer spur. I have other revolvers with hammer spurs, but they're not dedicated defense revolvers.
Not like I haven't popped out this photo before of these two true DAO hammer fired handguns. One of these came bobbed from the factory. The other I bobbed the spur and ground off the single action notch myself. Of course these are for concealed carry, but I think the same set up is worth consideration for a home defense revolver.
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Barbaroja
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I just can’t see any real advantage aside from snag free concealed carry and the Situations that it may be required in a LEO role ( which is not the case for the vast majority)
Aside from that it seems like just a preference that offers no other benefits. Different strokes I guess.
Aside from that it seems like just a preference that offers no other benefits. Different strokes I guess.
Speedo66
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I bobbed the hammers on a couple of S&W Chiefs (M36) I used to carry as service guns.
The hammers tend to eat the linings on nice suits, and snag when you least want them to.
A few minutes with a Dremel, a grinding wheel, and some instant blue made all the difference. I also replaced the springs with those from Wolff, big difference in trigger weight, and never had a problem.
Basically what I'm saying is unless you're looking for a full action job, these things don't necessarily require a trip to a gunsmith, especially a pricey one who will hold your gun for an extended period of time.
The hammers tend to eat the linings on nice suits, and snag when you least want them to.
A few minutes with a Dremel, a grinding wheel, and some instant blue made all the difference. I also replaced the springs with those from Wolff, big difference in trigger weight, and never had a problem.
Basically what I'm saying is unless you're looking for a full action job, these things don't necessarily require a trip to a gunsmith, especially a pricey one who will hold your gun for an extended period of time.
chicharrones
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A very long time ago, I was watching an episode of 20/20 or Dateline or something like those shows. There was an episode with a civilian home owner that confronted some miscreants in his front yard that he caught stealing*. He pulled out a service size DA/SA revolver to stop and hold them for police. He admitted to cocking his revolver but said that he never remembered pulling the trigger when he shot and killed one of the miscreants.
The stress of the event made pulling a lighter single action trigger unnoticeable to the home owner.
Yes, this civilian home owner should have made some different choices, but the bottom line was that he went to prison for manslaughter. What the home owner did and how he reacted in the interview still sticks in my mind.
*Can't remember those details.
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Jerry M
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There were thought up by lawyers for police departments with 'neglect discharge' instead of better training. I don't see any tactical advantage as a firearms instructor in a previous life. YMMV
Riomouse911
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I’ll admit I’m not a fan of altering a factory DA-SA revolver to DAO for non-ccw use, but I can see why the OP wants to.
Hammers do snag, especially if grabbed quickly under stress (and in a home defense situation there will be plenty of stress!). Spurs snag on holsters, clothing in drawers if that’s where the gun is kept, on your loose-fitting robe or nightshirt if you bring the gun in tight to your body, etc. No hammer spur would reduce these possible issues (As would buying a GP with factory Novak sights that are virtually snag-free).
And yes, people can cock guns under stress with no recollection of doing so. DAO does prevent that possibility.
OP, Rugers are very easy to take apart and work on. I worked on the actions of my GP .44 and SP .38 easily, I’m sure you could do your own work if you choose to.., it’ll certainly cost far less and take a few hours vs. months waiting. ( I’m five months in waiting for a Model 14 to get a barrel cut-recrown with no delivery date on the horizon.)
When you do get your gun back, or modify it yourself, let us know how it works for you.
Stay safe.
Hammers do snag, especially if grabbed quickly under stress (and in a home defense situation there will be plenty of stress!). Spurs snag on holsters, clothing in drawers if that’s where the gun is kept, on your loose-fitting robe or nightshirt if you bring the gun in tight to your body, etc. No hammer spur would reduce these possible issues (As would buying a GP with factory Novak sights that are virtually snag-free).
And yes, people can cock guns under stress with no recollection of doing so. DAO does prevent that possibility.
OP, Rugers are very easy to take apart and work on. I worked on the actions of my GP .44 and SP .38 easily, I’m sure you could do your own work if you choose to.., it’ll certainly cost far less and take a few hours vs. months waiting. ( I’m five months in waiting for a Model 14 to get a barrel cut-recrown with no delivery date on the horizon.)
When you do get your gun back, or modify it yourself, let us know how it works for you.
Stay safe.
Speedo66
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I'm a big fan of watching a YouTube video of someone doing what I'm thinking of doing, be it car repairs or gun mods.
I watch and see if I feel I can do it, safely and correctly. If I'm not sure, I don't attempt it.
I'll often stop and start a video to follow it slowly step by step, have had good results doing that. Once got me through installing a parts kit into an AR lower with just common household tools. Easy for some, big deal for me. lol
Would removing the hammer (spur) lighten the strike force?
No. The lighter hammer will hit the firing pin faster, more than enough, to make up for the lighter weight. Apex Tactical (Randy Lee) has some very light hammers for S&W's and can get really low double action pulls. I have switched between bobbed and non bobbed hammers on my SP101 with a 9 lb mainspring and not had any FTFs.
No. The lighter hammer will hit the firing pin faster, more than enough, to make up for the lighter weight. Apex Tactical (Randy Lee) has some very light hammers for S&W's and can get really low double action pulls. I have switched between bobbed and non bobbed hammers on my SP101 with a 9 lb mainspring and not had any FTFs.
Old_Grouch
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Yes. Theoretically, bobbing the hammer should increase reliability. Energy increases by the square of the velocity so, if anything, it increases the kinetic energy at firing pin strike.
stonebuster
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I'd suggest finding a spare hammer to convert and keep the original intact. That's what I did for my Speed Six before removing the spur with a dremel and refinishing it. If you go this route make sure the hammer you order functions in your gun before working on it. Don't ask how I know but I had to do it twice.
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