RGO
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You can block all signals from an RFID tag by fully enclosing it in aluminum foil. The principle is called the Faraday cage. This info comes to you from an Electrical Engineer (me).
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You can block all signals from an RFID tag by fully enclosing it in aluminum foil. The principle is called the Faraday cage. This info comes to you from an Electrical Engineer (me).
BrokenPaw
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So you're saying we should all carry our passports in our hats, now?
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RGO
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Actually, a full foil suit may be better.
308win
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Anybody want to invest in a company to manufacture foil body condums? 
Come on guys......This is getting over the top. This is nothing more than an interesting application of new technology. No-one is going to be implanting your kids and tracing their every movement. Who would want to follow every teenagers movents between the car and the 7-11 for a slurpie?
The government is planning to use this technology for inventory tracking. Nothing more nothing less.
Why? Because it is automatic and saves time and money. The Auto companies use this technology every day to track a vehicles progress through the assembly line.
Lighten up.....everyone's not out to get you.
There is another story, not quoted here where the parents can watch the movements of their children in day care. I would love to have been able to do this were I to have had small children in day care. It gives you a small peace of mind and makes you feel like you are watching over them.
Thats all there is to this.........Nothing diabolical.
The government is planning to use this technology for inventory tracking. Nothing more nothing less.
Why? Because it is automatic and saves time and money. The Auto companies use this technology every day to track a vehicles progress through the assembly line.
Lighten up.....everyone's not out to get you.
There is another story, not quoted here where the parents can watch the movements of their children in day care. I would love to have been able to do this were I to have had small children in day care. It gives you a small peace of mind and makes you feel like you are watching over them.
Thats all there is to this.........Nothing diabolical.
The only way that these chips can effectively monitor attendance and track student location is if they are surgically implanted. They are worthless to prevent truancy since a student can simply leave it in the classroom. It's a tracking/compliance system that requires cooperation from the people who are participating. This is like trying to do a "house arrest" on the "honor system", it doesnt work.
Eventually the schools are going to realise this and figure out a "solution" to it. That requires implantation or a semi-permanent attachment (think house arrest bracelet). And hey, if every kid in the country already has one then why not use it for a national ID when they grow up? Thats what happened with Social Security Cards and Drivers Licences.
Eventually the schools are going to realise this and figure out a "solution" to it. That requires implantation or a semi-permanent attachment (think house arrest bracelet). And hey, if every kid in the country already has one then why not use it for a national ID when they grow up? Thats what happened with Social Security Cards and Drivers Licences.
Put the right spin on it and the sheep will flock to the clinics and happily wait in long lines to have theirs installed (after all - THEY'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE). The rest of us will become instant pariahs, outsiders who don't appreciate all the good our Nanny is doing for us.
SpookyPistolero
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Absolutely Werewolf! They don't have to convince everyone that it's the best thing ever, they only have to convince some people that those who reject the idea are backwards, paranoid rednecks, people who don't care about their kids welfare, etc.
Those of you not outraged or at least more than a little uncomftorable with this idea submit to being under the wing of the nanny state. So shame, shame, I know your screen name. And Big Brother does too... 
By starting these things on a small scale, on a young population, a group of people that in general we want to protect the most, they prime the whole for further implementations of this technology. Just like another poster said, it's that frog in a cold pot of water... cold for now.
How is this that much different than the lefties trying to ban .50 cal's because they're too big, or 'pocket pistols' because they're too small? The plan has always been the same, erosion instead of head-to-head confrontation. Slight infringements instead of sweeping broadstrokes.
What real value does this system have anyway? You know where the tag is, and not necessarily the children. Even if the children kept them on, which they won't, is it worth millions of dollars to know that little Tommy is trying to skip class in the bathroom playing cards? Even if a child was abducted, which I assume this is what it mainly prevents, the guy has already got the child before the 'system' can alert people to do much about it.
Teachers over the last couple of hundred years have done just fine. I think this is an answer to a non-problem.
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Those of you not outraged or at least more than a little uncomftorable with this idea submit to being under the wing of the nanny state. So shame, shame, I know your screen name. And Big Brother does too...
By starting these things on a small scale, on a young population, a group of people that in general we want to protect the most, they prime the whole for further implementations of this technology. Just like another poster said, it's that frog in a cold pot of water... cold for now.
How is this that much different than the lefties trying to ban .50 cal's because they're too big, or 'pocket pistols' because they're too small? The plan has always been the same, erosion instead of head-to-head confrontation. Slight infringements instead of sweeping broadstrokes.
What real value does this system have anyway? You know where the tag is, and not necessarily the children. Even if the children kept them on, which they won't, is it worth millions of dollars to know that little Tommy is trying to skip class in the bathroom playing cards? Even if a child was abducted, which I assume this is what it mainly prevents, the guy has already got the child before the 'system' can alert people to do much about it.
Teachers over the last couple of hundred years have done just fine. I think this is an answer to a non-problem.
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And if I just happen to be a faithful Christian? Really, RFID tags were exactly what I thought of when I read it. Didn't take much imagination. Don't think I'm an end-of-the-world freak though. I'll have to go back and read what exactly John said about it.
Headless Thompson Gunner
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Hey shoudek:
Do you really think it's a good idea to treat children as if they were livestock or inventory in some warehouse? Do you really think we ought to barcode our students? Do you think our schools need as much security as our prisons? What kind of message do you think this sends to our children?
Teachers used to care enough for their students to keep tabs on them personally. Now, it seems that they can't be troubled with such minor details as personal attention and sincere interest.
"I don't have time to say 'hello' to any of you little brats. So from now on you're all going to wear these collars. The machine will keep track of who's here and who isn't."
Heck, why stop with electionic attendence-taking? Let's eliminate the teachers entirely. Sit the students down in front of a computer screen, and let machines raise our children.
Do you really think it's a good idea to treat children as if they were livestock or inventory in some warehouse? Do you really think we ought to barcode our students? Do you think our schools need as much security as our prisons? What kind of message do you think this sends to our children?
Teachers used to care enough for their students to keep tabs on them personally. Now, it seems that they can't be troubled with such minor details as personal attention and sincere interest.
"I don't have time to say 'hello' to any of you little brats. So from now on you're all going to wear these collars. The machine will keep track of who's here and who isn't."
Heck, why stop with electionic attendence-taking? Let's eliminate the teachers entirely. Sit the students down in front of a computer screen, and let machines raise our children.
Highland Ranger
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Misleading, badge and radio ID badge are two different things.
Well, I happen to be a Christian too! Are you a better Christian than I because you see the mark of the beast in everything you read? Thats not the first thing I think of.....You can find it in nearly anything if you look hard enough. I'd be willing to be you'll know it when you see it and it won't be in the form of an RFID tag.
How is it treating them like "livestock"? How does this have a negative impact on kids? Who said anything about "barcoding"? We're talking about a chip they wear on a badge or something.
How do you equate RFID chips with security? How do you then jump to prisons? Are there cages in the schools? No....I think you're embelishing the story a bit.
Some will still care enough to interact personally. For some, this will free them from the bondage of attendance and more accurately and immediately report an absence. Just think of what the teachers could be teaching without wasting all that time taking attendance.
How about if an accurate, early detected absence enabled the parents to know something was wrong and ended up saving an abducted childs life?
Sorry pal, but teachers aren't raising my children, so I don't have an issue with that one. I can see where you would object to this if you rely on the teachers to raise your kids for you. There isn't a teacher in school qualified to raise my children.
Headless Thompson Gunner
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If these measures are so useful, why haven't you employed it in your home, shoudek?
Why aren't your children tagged and numbered? Surely you'd like to be able to know where your children are all the time. Surely it's good parenting to know when they leave and arrive. Don't you want to know the location of your children at all times? So why haven't you barcoded your own children?
(And yes, RFID tagging is equivilent to barcoding. RFIDs, like barcodes, are designed to track inventory and to identify items electronically. The difference is that RFID lets you scan an entire warehouse all at once, instead of scanning each box/child individually)
Surely you want to keep your home secure. Who doen't want a safe environment for their children and spouse. So why not insist on ID badges for everyone in your family? Surely you'd want to know when unauthorized people enter your home. I know you see your family everyday, but you can never be too sure, or too safe. If those security badges let you identify a missing person just a few seconds sooner then surely it's worth the indignity.
Heck, let's RFID the entire country. If it's a good enough for our schools and homes, and good enough for our children and our families, then surely it's a good thing to have everywhere. If it saves just one child, right? What's the indignity of scanning everone compared to the safety of our children?
Why aren't your children tagged and numbered? Surely you'd like to be able to know where your children are all the time. Surely it's good parenting to know when they leave and arrive. Don't you want to know the location of your children at all times? So why haven't you barcoded your own children?
(And yes, RFID tagging is equivilent to barcoding. RFIDs, like barcodes, are designed to track inventory and to identify items electronically. The difference is that RFID lets you scan an entire warehouse all at once, instead of scanning each box/child individually)
Surely you want to keep your home secure. Who doen't want a safe environment for their children and spouse. So why not insist on ID badges for everyone in your family? Surely you'd want to know when unauthorized people enter your home. I know you see your family everyday, but you can never be too sure, or too safe. If those security badges let you identify a missing person just a few seconds sooner then surely it's worth the indignity.
Heck, let's RFID the entire country. If it's a good enough for our schools and homes, and good enough for our children and our families, then surely it's a good thing to have everywhere. If it saves just one child, right? What's the indignity of scanning everone compared to the safety of our children?
larry_minn
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Its a harmless technology and no-ones forcing you to do anything
Do you really believe that? Want to bet some $$$ on it staying your choice?... Does it sound like the kids have any choice in the story?
Lets look at logical progression. You DL is becomming more of a national ID every day. You NEED one to drive on highway/cash checks/deal with banks/rent car/boat/skies/skates/etc. Heck you can't FLY without one. So we have folks making fake IDs... They go with idea of IMPLANTED chips to do everything. How easy to stop most crime/solve cases. Anyone read (This Perfect Day??) Basicly they put a (chip) in the palm of your hand you wave over scanner to go to movie/home/work/store/etc. If there is any crime the authorities automaticly know who was where at all times. It is wonderful. Crime rates fall/people feel safe to walk around day/night.
Your chip replaces money/ID. So automatic deposits/withdrawls as well as Government (who knows whats best for you) decides if you desearve a ink pen/candy bar/see this movie. What a Eutopia. Thing is I don't want it.
Heck at times I am not sure I want God's version of a perfect world. I sure as heck don't want one created by man.
Do you really believe that? Want to bet some $$$ on it staying your choice?... Does it sound like the kids have any choice in the story?
Lets look at logical progression. You DL is becomming more of a national ID every day. You NEED one to drive on highway/cash checks/deal with banks/rent car/boat/skies/skates/etc. Heck you can't FLY without one. So we have folks making fake IDs... They go with idea of IMPLANTED chips to do everything. How easy to stop most crime/solve cases. Anyone read (This Perfect Day??) Basicly they put a (chip) in the palm of your hand you wave over scanner to go to movie/home/work/store/etc. If there is any crime the authorities automaticly know who was where at all times. It is wonderful. Crime rates fall/people feel safe to walk around day/night.
Your chip replaces money/ID. So automatic deposits/withdrawls as well as Government (who knows whats best for you) decides if you desearve a ink pen/candy bar/see this movie. What a Eutopia. Thing is I don't want it.
Heck at times I am not sure I want God's version of a perfect world. I sure as heck don't want one created by man.
saddenedcitizen
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Harmless - perhaps
But it IS an intrusion.
No one if forcing me to do anything - yet -
and we all know that this technology would NEVER be
used for nefarious purposes by our gov't.
Yeah. Right.
'scuse me, but this number tatooed on your arm won't hurt
a bit and it's so we know who and what you are !!
Sound familiar?
Different technology (and Oh, so gee whiz and cool !!)
same purpose - eventually - but the sheep must get
accustomed to it slowly, a little at a time, start with
children. They are too young and naive to object.
The pushers of this crap (like so many 'great' ideas)
don't even think of the eventual uses/possibilities
(they're too blinded by how 'cool' it is).
Just keep going along with it and call it harmless until
one day .............................................
I'm not paranoid, just VERY distrusting/cautious/
suspicious/questioning/doubtful about ANYTHING
that is 'for my own good/ because some 'authority'
says so.
But it IS an intrusion.
No one if forcing me to do anything - yet -
and we all know that this technology would NEVER be
used for nefarious purposes by our gov't.
Yeah. Right.
'scuse me, but this number tatooed on your arm won't hurt
a bit and it's so we know who and what you are !!
Sound familiar?
Different technology (and Oh, so gee whiz and cool !!)
same purpose - eventually - but the sheep must get
accustomed to it slowly, a little at a time, start with
children. They are too young and naive to object.
The pushers of this crap (like so many 'great' ideas)
don't even think of the eventual uses/possibilities
(they're too blinded by how 'cool' it is).
Just keep going along with it and call it harmless until
one day .............................................
I'm not paranoid, just VERY distrusting/cautious/
suspicious/questioning/doubtful about ANYTHING
that is 'for my own good/ because some 'authority'
says so.
Headless Thompson Gunner
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We'll just hafta disagree about whether or not this is paranoia.
Harmless? Perhaps in this specific instance (or perhaps not), but the implications are certainly disturbing.
No-one's forcing you to do anything? Not true. Have you been following the developments regarding the new Federal standards for driver's licenses? One of the new requirements is for new DLs to include some as-yet unnamed form of electronic tagging. Mebbe that electronic tag will be a reletively harmless barcode or magstipe. Or mebbe Big Brother will see the advantages of being able to scan a whole roomful of DLs simultaneously, and require that RFID be embedded in your license.
No technology that can be used to invade our privacy can truly be considered harmless. It may only be employed in harmless capacities, but the potential will always be there.
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