Ria 22 tcm

[S&W657]

Anyone have any experience with this caliber/handgun. I've read what's available on line and its pretty limited. I see ammo for sale through CTD (I'm not a big fan of them of late), but I only read about "supposed" supplies of dies from Hornady and Lee with neither one having it on their website. A guy at work is contemplating selling his package NIB, and I love new and unique calibers to play with, but if I can't get the dies, I don't know if I'm as interested. Any real world experience and such would be greatly appreciated.

 

[S&W657]

Oops!

I see ( after another search on here ) that I missed a discussion just last week!:banghead: I'm on here everyday and usually read the majority of all the threads on most of the forums. I don't know how I missed it, anyhow, any other replies are still more than welcome and I still don't see any dies for sale.

 

[M2 Carbine]

and I still don't see any dies for sale.

$95 plus shipping.

I heard Lee also made them for about $50, but I've never seen any.

The loaded ammo cost about $23 a box/1,000 rounds delivered


http://www.ammosupplywarehouse.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&category=TCM0

 

[Rodentman]

I have one of these and find it great fun. A novelty item to be sure, but the RIA shoots 9mm as well with a simple bbl and spring change. I don't buy into a caliber I won't reload (other than 22lr of course). I ordered the Hornady dies, bullets and brass from ASW.

I had trouble with the first batch of reloads since I didn't trim the brass properly and didn't set the sizing die down far enough (touch the shellholder and another 1/4 turn). Now I have it figured out and it works great. Big fireball, big noise, low recoil.

I wouldn't buy it if I can't reload it.

 

[Fiv3r]

I'm really interested in the caliber.

It seems like RIA might have some real potential to grab the "small, fast, and loud" folks who are not only seeing cheap ammo for their 7.62x25 dry up but feel that non-surplus ammo may be hard to find if things continue to escalate with Russia.

Also, while the FN does something very similar, their guns are quite pricey. The 5.7 ammo IS on the shelves at some places locally but at prices that would drive most to purchase online anyway. So not having it readily available to feed is a bit of a moot point. I do like that the ammo is made here state-side.

Finally, it's a 1911. As much as I like other guns, it's really hard to beat a 1911 for shootability. PLUS they give you a 9mm barrel and spring. The end result is a very cool oddball cartridge that MAY fill a niche. However, even if the TCM completely dies you have the option of either fabricating your own ammo from common components OR just saying toheckwithit and converting it to a high cap 9mm.

It's certainly on my list to try. I think about the only thing I might change is that I would like to see it offered in a single stack for thickness sake.

 

[SigFTW]

I love my RIA 22TCM. Its a blast to shoot. I reload for it too.

Buy it if you can.

 

[Gtscotty]

Is the 22 TCM tricky to reload? I've heard that the 5.7 can be kind of a Bear to load for.

 

[barnbwt]

"I've heard that the 5.7 can be kind of a Bear to load for."
That's more the fault of the blowback actions that it's used in than anything. It's otherwise no harder to load than other small, high pressure cartridges. 22TCM will be more sensitive than 9mm, simply due to the case volume being lower (so any errors will have larger effects)

TCB

 

[swopjan]

ammosupplywarehouse sells '22 TCM caliber bullets' Can't it just use any 40 grain .224 bullet? The dies are kind of pricey but with brass at 19 cents and loaded ammo at 38 cents they certainly make up for it in savings.

I'm also really intrigued by the .22 TCM. Is there any reason it couldn't use larger grain bullets?

 

[rcmodel]

Probably pressure, case capacity with a longer bullet intruding inside the case, & rifling twist problems at the much lower velocity you could get with heavier bullets.

Tiny case, and rifling tailored to the light bullet at high velocity.

But that's just a semi-educated hand loading guess.

rc

 

[Big Shrek]

It is a pistol on my Must Get List...
the ballistics alone give one ample reason to purchase,
and if one reloads...it becomes a Must Get

 

[barnbwt]

"Can't it just use any 40 grain .224 bullet?"
A cursory glance indicates the TCM uses a much shorter bullet ogive than the 40gr Vmax on the 5.7x28 SS197SR blue-tip rounds. They almost look round-nose-ish.

TCB

 

[swopjan]

Well that's kind of a downer The pressure issue I would think could be solved with a slower powder, and my Speer manual shows several bullet weights between 40 and 55 so I would hope there's some wiggle room. I would think the ogive difference might also be solved by seating bullets to a different depth, if indeed it would be an issue at all.

But, I don't reload yet so my knowledge is limited and I could easily be 100% wrong on both counts. I don't have a .22 TCM either so I'm sure somebody will do all kinds of experiments before I get my hands on one.

 

[SigFTW]

My load data.
Win 296 or H110
CCI SPP
40 gr HP bullet

10.5 Start 11.1 Max

Lube the case before sizing or you will deform the neck.

For a complete setup and data do a search for "Reloading the 22TCM" and click on the forum that starts with "1911" in it's title.

I show how to set up a Dillon 550B to run the TCM reloads on page 4.

 

[TfflHndn]

ASW has the Lee dies for this caliber, about $10 less than the Hornady. I just took my TCM out this weekend for the first time. Very nice shooter, very accurate. 48 out of 50 hits on 4" clay targets from 20 yards after adjusting the sights. It's a keeper!

 

[WestKentucky]

The reason it can't go much heavier is overall length. You either are longer than the magazine or your seating deeper into the case to gain bullet mass.

 

[ole farmerbuck]

I just bought one Saturday. 65mph winds so I wont be shooting it for a few days>