Rifle 'Research'

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I'm looking into buying a center fire rifle for use in deer hunting. Around my state you have to have something over .22 (don't know how many other states have this law) so obviously I need a bigger round.

I was originally planning on getting a Remington 770 in .30-06. The rifle's design is based on the 700, comes with a scope, and out of the box is ready to go. Sounds good until I hear little complaints here and there. That's when I decided to look into the 'real deal' and check the prices on a Remington 700. The prices on some completely blew my mind ($700+ for real tree, .30-06, and a scope included.)

I don't need anything special. The simple ones with the black synthetic stocks and blued barrels are fine and an included scope would be nice but I'm sure I could worry about one later if necessary.

So on to the questions.

1. I've seen, for about $450, a Remington 700 in .270 with a scope included brand new. Is this a good price? Is .270 a good round?

2. What is your personal opinion on the 770 and 700?

3. What is your overall choice for a center fire rifle that's affordable and reliable?
 
Look into Savage, they're a great dollar value and very accurate. Accu-trigger is nice, too.
 
Thanks. I'll take a look at that. If anybody else has any suggestions I'll be checking in.
 
Here is what I would do, go to as many places you can to hold as many different firearms you can.

You have already picked a caliber, the .270 Win, which is a fine caliber. And it appears that you have seen some scope/rifle packages that are modestly priced and would probably serve you well for many years.

So I would ask myself, if I spend $500 today, am I really going to miss that money in three months, in a year? The answer is, probably not. So you get the rifle and in a year or three, if you want to upgrade, then do it. At that time, you have a back up/beater rifle that you have little into and you can afford to lend to a friend on a hunt or whatever.
 
In your situation I would personally look for a Winchester, Remington, Savage or Ruger with iron sights.

That would most likely mean a used rifle since so many of them are made without sights for the U.S. market today to keep a low price point.

You can use the rifle now and add a ~ $200 Leupold scope later. You can also move the scope to another rifle and still be able to use this rifle.

I like having iron sights and a scope mounted with removable Leupold sight mounts (NOT "peep-through" sight mounts) so I have some redundancy.
 
Where do you live and what kind of terrain do you hunt deer in? The vast majority of whitetails are shot inside of 100 yards. If you are hunting in hills and woods you don't need a round like a .30-06 or .270, in fact they may overpenetrate at close distances. Consider the venerable Marlin 336 in .30-30. If you want the higher power round in a bolt action 7mm-08 is a great one, is available in shorter actions, and has an excelllent 140 gr managed recoil load that has less than .30-30 recoil and is better for deer at under 100 yards than the full power loads. The Remington model seven is a good one. But frankly, dollar for dollar - find a good used 336.
 
Honestly... go to Walmart and look at thier 'package deal' rifles.
You are just getting started. Plenty of guys have gone deer hunting without spending $300 on a scope. You have have buddies that shoot? Shoot thier rifles. Compare as much as you can pick a budget, buy your rifle and leave some money over to practice shooting. Remington makes a good rifle, as does Savage. Bolt guns are pretty simple, few parts to break. Even Marlin has a bolt gun out that's budget priced, and all 3 stand by their products.
 
Do not buy the 770, there are much better choices for the same or less money. I'm not a fan of the Savage guns but they do work and have a reputation for accuracy. A Stevens 200 or Marlin XL7 can be found for $300-$330 in most places. I like the Marlin better but it is not proven as is the Savage/Stevens. Either are much better than the Remington 770.

At this time of year there are deals on used Remingtons, Rugers, and other top of the line rifles in pawn shops. With a little leg work you may be able to buy a better quality rifle used for less than a budget gun new.

Caliber is not that important. The 270, 30-06, and 308 ammo is available everywhere and either will do just fine for anything in the lower 48 and 99% of the hunting in Alaska.
 
The 270 is a great caliber, but those 770's and 710's are terrible rifles. Dont forget to check out the used guns at the local gunshops, should be plenty of .270's around.
 
Everything I've heard about the 770 is bad.

Remington 700 rifles are, and have been for years, very good.

I would recommend a .243 because it is super-effective without all the blast and recoil of larger calibers. With that said - the .270 is a great caliber even though it is really a lot more than is needed for any deer or antelope anywhere.

Good Luck !
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I'd like to add a vote to the "go used" pile.

There are SO MANY hunting rifles for sale on the used racks at every shop I visit and the majority of them are more powerful than you'll likely ever need, 99% of them will out shoot you in any hunting situation, and many dealers are getting desperate to move these orphans out.

For years (if not for EVER), the hunting community has been buying up the latest and greatest deer rifles -- lured by the promise of MORE POWER, MORE RANGE, and that the new kid on the block will kill a deer much deader than the old .30-30 your grandpa used (...that he used to kill several deer each year for like 40 years).

As the hunting population has dwindled due to decreasing rural populations and various other issues, 100s of 1000s of Dad's and Grandpa's rifle's have been sold off by uninterested heirs.

Nowadays, guys are desperate to make ends meet in a bad economy and a lot of their unloved last year's (or last decade's) rifles are being brought out and turned into (a little bit of) ready cash. (Probably so they can buy the newest SuperShortUltraMag -- or an EBR.)

I wish like MAD I could give a home to 1/10th of the great old rifles and shotguns I walk past every time I'm in a shop.

Instead of buying one of the craptastic 710s or 770s, or even instead of buying a great Savage, or some of the nicer bargain rifles being put out by Marlin, Stevens, etc -- with a little shopping (and even better if you check the classified) you could own any number of VERY solid classic rifles that will outlast YOU. And, almost every one I see is already outfitted with a very serviceable scope, rings, and bases -- and often a sling and recoil pad, too -- thus saving you several hundred more dollars on top of that!

Some classic guns still command a premium price. Vintage Win. model 70s are going to be expensive. Ditto, now, for model 94s. Anything rare and with collector panache is going to put a hole in your wallet. But, there is a vast majority of other second hand rifles that can be had far cheaper than their inherent value should dictate.

I'd look for a Marlin 336 (lever action) in .30-30 or .35 Rem. Or a Remington 7600 (pump action, most often in .30-'06). Or any "sporterized" military Mauser, Springfield, Enfield, etc., that looks like it was skillfully crafted. Or any older Remington 700 or Ruger 77, or "Post '64" Winchester 70. Or something old and a little out of the ordinary like a Savage model 99 lever action that might be gathering dust on a rack, overlooked by the Savage collectors. Or, or, or -- the list goes on!

If you go into your search looking for something specific, you might be discouraged because your dealers don't seem to have it. But if you walk into almost any shop and say, "I'm going to pick up every used gun on the rack and find the nicest deer rifle I can for under $???," you'll be surprised at what turns up. But I can just about promise that it will represent a better VALUE than any bargain gun on the "new" rack.

Looks like you need something larger than a .22 cal to shoot deer in your state. Well, that leaves .243, .257 Roberts, 7mmx57, .270, .280, .30-30, .308, .30-'06, .303 Brit, .35 Rem., and probably 20 other fairly common calibers which all will do the job VERY well. The gun has to be accurate, sure. How accurate? "Minute of Angle?" Hardly. Buy a box of three or four brands of factory ammo for whichever gun you pick up and one of them will shoot well inside of 4" at 100 yds (probably 2" or better if you're using good technique). That will kill your deer cleanly and ethically out to at least 200 yds, which is further than 90% of shots taken each year, by all hunters the world over.

I suppose you could always end up with someone else's problem. A gun that was ditched because it didn't shoot or has some mechanical defect. The chances are S-L-I-M. And if so, you take a small hit 'cause you didn't spend much to begin with, sell it at a loss and try again.

Sorry to rant, but I'm on a mini crusade to save the masses of unloved guns. Seriously, think about it!

-Sam
 
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Very well said Sam1911. If I had the money I would too buy old storied hunting rifles buy the truckload.Of course model 70's are first in line:D
 
I would go with marlin xl7 in 25-06 or the stevens 200 in the same caliber. If you want bigger go for a 7mm rem mag and take a beating but keep the flat trajectory and downrange energy. Both of these rifles are around $300 and both I know from experience are shooters. Take the money you save and put nikon glass on it and check your zero once a year not once a week.
 
In my opinion the 760 Remington pump is a very good rifle that is generally overlooked. It is not a tack driver and no one will remark on its beauty but it will do the job. I used mine, in .308, for years on Blacktails and Roosevelt Elk in western Washington and Oregon. It handles like my 870 shotgun, with quick followup shots and is short enough to get through the brush in those areas. I never had a bullet jam, the safety is a positive one unlike some of the lever guns, and with a 2X7 scope it brightens the picture more than the naked eye. Now that I live in Wyoming I shoot a bolt action 788 because it is more accurate at longer distances.
 
.243 is a really great caliber.....depending on the grain of bullet, you could hunt varmints to deer with that caliber.
 
Ok guy's don't get upset with me if your one of those Mossberg haters out there but I have a buddy that just bought a .270 Mossberg 100ATR and with glass he spent under $325.00. we went to the range and that sucker shot sub moa all day. I've always used mossy shot guns combat style and 835 Ultimags but never considered them for a deer rifle. Next year I will be carrying a .308 100ATR. I was impressed to say the least. If price is a issue and in todays economy I'm sure it is I would give it a look at your local Walmart.
 
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