Rifles and Carbines That You'd Like To See Made.

[kludge]

Quoted from KLUDGE:
HMMMM... What's the largest diameter bullet that a .223 can be "necked-up" to? Maybe a 9mm/.223?

How would you chamber a Lollie Pop? Duh, time to look at the spec's of the .223, it's not capable of anything more than it's designed to do now. It was designed to mame, not kill.

Sheesh.

Like I said no cases handy...

At any rate the shoulder diameter of a .223 is .354" and a 9mm bullet is .355".

Hardly a "lollipop", but it still probably wouldn't work, but theres probably a 30 to 32 caliber bullet that might.

 

[JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone]

Kludge..

Sorry, I was being quite sarcastic. I don't mean any harm. At the office here, I don't have a .223 case handy either, but even a neck up to .30cal would pretty much be the .30 Carbine.

Necked up to .358, if you didn't split the case doing so, I think would stand out as a Lollie Pop.

Tstar77 tells me that some of my lever action wishes are a bit unrealistic too.

-Steve

 

[JCaraker]

AR platform in 7.62x25 with 20-30 rd magazines. I think relipping and replacing the follower in grese gun mags may do the trick. It would be a blast for small varmints.

What was the pistol caliber AK variant above? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

 

[michael_aos]

Lever-action in 9mm Parabellum or 357 Sig.

Mike

 

[Stever]

Just came across this today. Anyone else know more about it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_RFB_Carbine

The Kel-Tec RFB Carbine is a forward-ejecting bullpup rifle in the 7.62x51 NATO cartridge. "RFB" is an acronym for "Rifle Forward ejection Bullpup."

The rifle is a forward ejecting semi-automatic firearm chambered in 7.62mm NATO (.308 Winchester), utilizing a short-stroke gas piston. To avoid the sloppy trigger pull typical of bullpup style firearms, the RFB utilizes a floating linkage bar between the sear and the hammer, allowing the sear to remain above the trigger. The weapon is fully ambidextrous, much in the style of the French FAMAS bullpup assault rifle. The RFB accepts FN FAL style magazines, and is delivered without iron sights. A mil-spec Picatinny rail is standard.

Interestingly, the barrel of the RFB is not fully free floated - it instead serves as the rigid "spine" of the weapon, to which all other components are attached (either directly or through other components). The barrel is free floated (and also more rigid) beyond the attachment of the main Picatinny rail. Extraction is accomplished by two extractors, each with 2 axis of rotation. The extractors may move side-to-side to engage the rim of the case, and pivot upwards to extract the spent case after firing. Empty cases remain in the ejection chute until either the weapon is tilted downwards, the charging handle is operated, or they are pushed out by following cases. Cases drop gently from this chute to the right of the barrel. Please see teaser video to observe this action.

Kel-Tec plans on manufacturing the RFB in 3 versions, with differing barrel lengths (and therefore weight, overall length and ballistics); Target (32") Sporter (24") and Carbine (18") - add 8 inches to the barrel for overall length. The target version comes with a 5-way adjustable trigger, for a trigger pull from 2-6 lbs.

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/news.html

KEL-TEC RFB Rifle Announced at 2007 SHOT show: The RFB is a Forward ejecting Bullpup rifle chamber for the 7.62 NATO Cartridge ( .308 Winchester). Three different barrel lengths will be available rangeing from 18" to 32". the first RFB's are expected to ship during the first quarter of 2008. Click here to download the PDF of the brochure for the RFB (2MB).
--Update-- A short video of the RFB Carbine in action can now be downloaded from the Downloads page (posted 1-17-2007, updated 2-14-07))

 

[MinScout]

Absent only the detachable magazines, that would be the CZ-550. The 527 is by design a mini-Mauser, suitable only for 223 length rounds.

I realize a .308 Win would require a longer/heavier action, but I'd like to see it in a 527 carbine-type platform. I have not liked the CZ .308s I have handled, they all seemed too bulky and unwieldy. I've often thought my 527 would be the perfect rifle if only it were chambered in .308.

 

[GunTech]

For more infor on the KelTec RFB, try http://ktog.org.

How about a SU-16 in 6.8? Ruger is bringing out the mini-14 in 6.8, and I know the coversion of the SU-16 to 6.8 is doable because I've done it. It would be trivial to do at the factory and requires nothing more than a new bolt and barrel.

 

[testar77]

Kludge

Here is something "close" to what you are thinking I believe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Whisper_(Series_1)

The .338 whisper 1 is based off of the 7mm benchrest/308 case

The .338 whisper 2 is based off the .221 fireball

always somethin out there for someone.......... if you can find it

Toby

 

[MD_Willington]

What was the pistol caliber AK variant above? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

The first one is called "Knight", it is a Krinkov chambered for 9x19, make it a bit bigger and you could probably get away with a 10mm or 40 S&W version, .45ACP would rock too!

The second one that the guy is holding is an AK-9, it fires a heavy 9x39 round.

 

[Nolo]

An FN-49 chambered for .30-06 with an automatic gas regulator (like in the Saiga-12) and fed from en-bloc clips from the underside.
A civilian T44.
A Winchester 1895 in 7.62x51N with stripper clip guides and a more rearward sight (that doesn't have the butt-ugly mount).
A Winchester 1895 in .260 Remington with stripper clip guides and a more rearward sight (that doesn't have the butt-ugly mount). Especially if someone would make a really good commercial loading for the .260.
And a Krinkov in .500 S&W or a .50 Beowulf (or .458 SOCOM, for that matter) without a rebated rim.

 

[Gator]

Kludge,

Years ago Jeff Cooper cut down some .223 cases to .38 Super length and loaded them with 9mm bullets. The .223 cases could stand a lot more pressure than a pistol case; he called it the "Super 9". With a custom barrel it could be shot out of a .38 Super 1911 and equaled the ballistics of the .357 Mag. This was long before the .357 SIG, which almost gives you .357 Mag performance in an auto pistol.

There was also the 9mm Magnum (case lengthened by 0.4"). 115 gr bullet at 1500 fps.

I think you are after even more power though

 

[Deer Hunter]

I always figured a necked-up .223 to 9mm would be pretty interesting.

 

[kludge]

Gator,

Thanks for the reference.

 

[pinstripe]

hi-point

With the price of ammo rising, I would like to see hi-point make a carbine, like the 995, but instead of 9mm or .40 make it in .22. What do ya think???

 

[Browning]

Stever : Just came across this today. Anyone else know more about it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec_RFB_Carbine

Here ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSnjXM9d8MY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USMZf6rxEn0&mode=related&search=

Supposedly they're supposed to cost around $1750 to $1900 though, which is a little out of my price range.

 

[ilcylic]

Yes, that. I want an RFB.

And I second the fellow above talking about pistol caliber carbines being crippled by their proprietary mags, which is one reason I like the RFB: I already have a ridiculous number of FAL mags.

A 10mm carbine that takes Para mags? That would be sweet. The blowback 1911 upper that whoever it is makes for the 1911 isn't so cool, though. Doesn't handle hot ammo well.

I'd love an AK in .44 Magnum. Yes, I'm weird. A lever action .500 S&W mag would be nice, too.

A 7.62x25 Tok carbine would be nifty, expecially if it used the CZ-52's roller lockup. And, again, magazine compatibility.

 

[Gord]

Semi-auto 7.62x54R - RPKs don't cut it for me. I'd love a Saiga - $250 rifle paired with $0.10/rd surplus... ohhh yeah. That's enough to get even me thinking about SHTF battle rifle fantasies...

As far as nobody buying pistol-caliber carbines - speaking only for myself, that is because they tend to be ugly as sin; take mags that cost $30, are impossible to find, or both; and usually cost an ungodly amount of money, at least as I see it.

I'd love to see a pistol-gripped carbine that takes Glock 9mm mags. It wouldn't look nearly as ugly as having the mag inserted forward of the trigger (a la Ruger PC9), would have better ergonomics, and Glock 33rd mags are abundant.

As far as the 7.62x25 carbine, same thing - and make aftermarket high-cap mags available, please. The CZ-52 mag is ridiculously simple - just punch in the numbers, elongate it for 20 rounds and presto. Design a doublestack from scratch if you want less bulk.

I'd like to see an honest try at a tacticool .22 besides the Walther G22 which is ugly as sin. In my dreams, a mfr would take an existing .22, develop a reliable all-steel 30-rounder for it, and slap it into a good, solid synthetic stock molded after an AR, complete with adjustable six-position buttstock. It'd end up looking just like a 10/22 with a bodykit, only... reliable.

 

[ilcylic]

Tactical Ninja: The Kel-Tec SUB2000 is a pistol gripped carbine that takes glock magazines in 9mm, through the pistol grip. Voila!

http://www.gunblast.com/Kel-Tec_Sub2000.htm

Also: I think they only cost around $400.

 

[TehK1w1]

A lever action .308 that takes M1A mags.

 

[Madmardig0n]

I'd like an AR-10 style rifle that takes G-3/CETME mags. They're soooo cheap!

I'd also like a reliable 30 round 10/22 magazine.

 

[Rifleman 173]

How about an AR-10 in .270 Winchester? Imagine that one. How about a GOOD .223 carbine, like an M-1 carbine instead of the Ruger stuff? :banghead:

 

[McCall911]

It's another pistol cartridge, but...


I would've liked to have seen a lever action carbine chambered in .401 Herters Powermag. (I'd still like to see it, as long as the .401 got resurrected also.)
Cool round.

 

[jeff-10]

Non custom or semi-custom semiauto in 10mm and lever or pump in 50 S&W. Possibly in 454 Casull also. Not the Puma.

 

[McCall911]

lever or pump in 50 S&W. Possibly in 454 Casull also. Not the Puma.

This one might cover part of your wish list:

http://www.wildwestguns.com/EStore/MasterGuideOrder/WWG04/wwg04.html

 

[precisionshootist]

Belt fed 12 gauge semi-auto. It should look something like an M60 so that it could be fired from the shoulder if need be. It would also be clearly stamped on the receiver “CIVILIAN USE ONLY”. Also I will second the AR type rifle in 300RUM with the same receiver “CUO” markings.