Rimfire rifle ???

[12Bravo20]

One of my main complaints about Savage stocks is that the comb is too low to get a good cheek rest when using scopes. That is why I generally use some type of stock with and adjustable cheek riser. I have been very happy with how my Savage MkII rifles function and how well they shoot.

As far as scopes go, I haven't bought a true rimfire scope in years since most are limited in features compared to centerfire scopes. I do make sure to only buy scopes with adjustable parallax that will focus down to 25 yards minimum.

Now keeping the scope small is perfectly fine for a hunting rifle. But I want a bigger scope with more magnification for long range precision shooting. So yes I use 6-24 scopes on my rimfire target rifles. I want to see the targets clearly and see bullet holes at farther ranges past 100 yards.

 

[Charlie Martinez]

For accuracy the CZ is a great choice. Mine came with a variable scope and a very nice factory trigger. It shoots MOA consistently with nearly any kind of ammo.

My only complaint is the extractor. It doesn't extract very reliably even after I took the bolt apart and gave it a thorough cleaning. I got it second hand & don't know how many rounds it had shot at the time I picked it up but I have 22's that are much older and have had untold number of rounds through them without extraction issues. .

 

[irishlad]

I have loaded 10/22 mags for decades and the savage is a rotary mag but doesn’t use the same technique to load. It’s much easier if you start and push sideways going in (the direction of rotation) where the Ruger mags are more of a straight down and back motion.

Very true. Some of mine were very stiff. Hornady dry lube fixed that.

 

[Waterboy3313]

Now keeping the scope small is perfectly fine for a hunting rifle. But I want a bigger scope with more magnification for long range precision shooting. So yes I use 6-24 scopes on my rimfire target rifles. I want to see the targets clearly and see bullet holes at farther ranges past 100 yards.

I agree I think just about everything I own now is using a 6-24 scope. Even my 9mm upper. My better rifles use FFP for longer distance where my shorter range rifles like my 22s and 9mm use lower line vortex SFP scopes. The cost for a decent optic is usually affordable nowadays. I like to think if I can see small I can shoot small. Also as mentioned very nice to see holes at 100-200 yards.

 

[Picher]

I have a CZ455, bought used as a .22 Mag (at Kittery, ME Trading Post), but I bought a 17 HMR Fluted bull barrel for it and it's a really great rifle. Accuracy is wonderful and it handles like the best rimfire ever!!! As I think about it, it's the first 17 HMR rifle I've owned. I may have given away my .22 WMR barrel because I was looking for it recently and couldn't find it.

 

[Gun-Reck]

Have been looking locally at 2 different rimfire rifles to be used for a fun rifle league with my grandson. We will be shooting at 25, 50 and 100yd targets, with 50 rounds each week. Only requirement is it is to be shot with a scoped rifle and from a supported bench.

The two rifles I am looking at; 1. Savage B22 FV with a 21"barrel. new. $295.00 the other is a Ruger American 22" barrel. Used $225.00.. I have not seen the Ruger so I have no clue as to it's condition.

I have no experience with either of these brands, models, so I have again no clue as to their function, reliability or accuracy. Or even which is the better value. So help!

The Ruger bolt rifles (RAR) are a solid choice, with a few advantages.

- They use Ruger 10-round flush rotary mags.
- They have a heavy barrel carbine version.
- The stock length (LOP) on the synthetics are modular.
- Tec-Sights makes a very nice aperture sight for them.

The aperture sighted carbine, with the short stock module, is my favorite, and take it more than not.

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A handy and precise rifle that is also great for kids.

Although a 22" barrel, with std. vel. ammo, makes for a quiet subsonic woods hunting rifle.

 

[kmw1954]

Thanks, you’re an enabler.

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So sorry, I didn't realize! But I will look forward to your review!

 

[kmw1954]

One of my main complaints about Savage stocks is that the comb is too low to get a good cheek rest when using scopes.

As far as scopes go, I haven't bought a true rimfire scope in years since most are limited in features compared to centerfire scopes. I do make sure to only buy scopes with adjustable parallax that will focus down to 25 yards minimum..

The reason I am looking at something other than the MKII I already have. It's more like a chin weld. Currently I have A Burris Fullfield 4.5-14X44 SFP. that I will be putting on whichever it is. It should work well out to 100+yds. Have also looked a another Athlon to add to the stable. The Neos and they offer a 4-12 and a 6-18 with a paralax down to 10yds.

 

[AJC1]

My thinking is the money saved on the Savage over a CZ can be spent on better glass. The Savage + a $350 scope will yield generally better results from the bench than a CZ with a $100 scope.

I disagree and would put my cz455 with Simmons scope into that ring of compition.

 

[Necessary_Nutrient]

The CZ groups posted in this thread aren’t exactly world beating. What am I missing?

 

[12Bravo20]

The reason I am looking at something other than the MKII I already have. It's more like a chin weld. Currently I have A Burris Fullfield 4.5-14X44 SFP. that I will be putting on whichever it is. It should work well out to 100+yds. Have also looked a another Athlon to add to the stable. The Neos and they offer a 4-12 and a 6-18 with a paralax down to 10yds.

The factory B Series stocks won't be much better if at all compared to the MkII stocks, unless you get one with the Boyds At-One stock or some other stock with an adjustable cheek riser.

 

[LoonWulf]

The CZ groups posted in this thread aren’t exactly world beating. What am I missing?

How much nicer they are than the savages and the others in that range, without costing what an Annie does....the fact that they USUALLY shoot good/great groups is kinda a bonus...
Course mine didnt shoot as well as id like in .22 configuration till I installed a LW barrel.....the .17 was really bloody accurate.

My current go to for dealing with stock that have alot of drop is to just make an adjustable from whatever plastic scrap/stuff i can find cheap. Most of the time ill get frustrated at the stock eventually and change it, but they usually work for the time being.

 

[Waterboy3313]

My current go to for dealing with stock that have alot of drop is to just make an adjustable from whatever plastic scrap/stuff i can find cheap. Most of the time ill get frustrated at the stock eventually and change it, but they usually work for the time being.

Since we are on the topic of Ruger vs Savage (mostly) and the topic of stocks was brought up I thought I would make a mention of this.

My ruger came with the warped stock that is being mentioned all over the internet. I went to Ruger website found the contact us button and put in my info wrote a little blurd about the stock being warped and hit send.

The next day I got a email from Ruger telling me they are sending me a new stock. I thought that was pretty cool. I don't know the what kind of customer service Savage has but I thought the fact ruger was willing to send me a new stock with zero questions being asked was nice.

 

[gunmechanic]

I like the Ruger your looking at but have you looked for a used mossberg target 22 ,you can get one used reasonable and they shoot . Just a thought.

 

[AJC1]

The CZ groups posted in this thread aren’t exactly world beating. What am I missing?

Your missing what they are being fed. I don't spend lapua midas money, but sk and wolf match specifically is on another level in my gun. One true thing to know is the length of pull on the cz is for an adult. I don't know the lop on the other two and what is the right fit for the child in question currently. Boyd's makes at one stocks for quite a few guns and that adjustment may add significant advantage. The length and weight of my varmit barrel is not a good fit for my teen. If your getting a heavier barrel a minimum length may help.

 

[SwampWolf]

Sorry ... it's a pet peeve ... huge military scopes on nice little 22 rifles ... Arrrgh !

A peeve of mine too. Almost any scope will detract from the handling properties of a .22 sporter so, like you, I like them being as compact as practical.

 

[kmw1954]

Well the issue has been solved though not as expected.
My daughter has a habit of grounding punishment for every little thing under that sun that doesn't strike her fancy. So last week I finally put it to her this way. I wanted a reassurance that once started this would not be interrupted by a hysterical grounding and that he could not go that week. My contention being that he starts, he finishes, uninterrupted. You make the commitment and you follow through with that commitment. Well she could not agree to those terms so sadly I just canceled the whole affair. I will not be shooting either.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I like the Ruger your looking at but have you looked for a used mossberg target 22 ,you can get one used reasonable and they shoot . Just a thought.

The problem is finding a clean, low-mileage one now. Mossbergs were always moderately priced firearms and usually shot to death and beyond....
The last 3 I bought looked like cheap plinkers with minor issues, but all ended up needing more work and pricey parts than I planned on.
Honestly, unless you can find a white-elephant immaculate example, or you want a project gun because you enjoy that sort of thing, Id avoid old Mossbergs at this point.

 

[rust collector]

Sorry to hear of the demise of your plan. I had experience with the RAR and Savages in the MkII and B-17 variants. The RAR had a barrel that was never crowned, shot patterns, and was ultimately replaced by Ruger. Both Savages have been accurate and reliable.

 

[Varminterror]

get a proper 22 LR appropriate scope ... not some monster military hardware that looks like it should be mounted on a cannon ...
Sorry ... it's a pet peeve ... huge military scopes on nice little 22 rifles .

What is a “military scope”? And equally, what is a “22LR appropriate scope”?

Sure seems like the OP’s demands for a scope would be thoroughly defined by the competition format they intended to pursue, and knowing that particular range operation and the leagues they host, I think the sentiment you’re implying here isn’t “appropriate” for his application.

 

[Walkalong]

Sorry to hear of the demise of your plan

Indeed! Sad to hear.

 

[Walkalong]

Sure seems like the OP’s demands for a scope would be thoroughly defined by the competition format they intended to pursue,

Absolutely!

 

[Walkalong]

Now we just have another instance of generational reduction in participation in shooting sports.

Not written in stone yet.

 

[kmw1954]

you’ve chosen to preemptively remove him from all instances, even before the bad behavior occurred.

I certainly enjoyed the spectacular way you phrased this. Very judgemental as always! Unfortunately his mother has a way of arbitrarily imposing punishments. An opportunity was provided to her with conditions. She refused the conditions so that is on her my friend. She could not see the importance of making a commitment and then following through on that commitment. Just like paying a bill, just because you do not have the money this week does not relieve you from the debt. Or just because you were invited to a more fancy party doesn't excuse one from going to work.

 

[cfullgraf]

Not a suggestion for a particular model of rifle but my experience growing up.

My dad had a scope installed on a 1940’s Winchester or so vintage 22rf rifle for me in the 1960’s. It was a good starter platform. It had magazines for 22LR/22Long and 22 Short so the rifle was flexible at the time.

For Christmas around 1964-65, Santa gave me a Marlin 39A 22lr level action. In the 1960s, westerns were popular and the 39A fit in to that nicely.

I still have both rifles.

Now a days, different rifle platforms are important versus the 1960s but getting something that might spark interest in a youth might still be important.

Ruger and Savage have good reputations. Ruger/Marlin still has to prove itself. There are lots of older rifles out there from days past that will fit your needs.

I enjoyed weekend camping with my dad that including some shooting.