Ripper Chaingun .458 SOCOM

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Check out these, I was thinking this would be a substitute for a Handheld Minigun, It would be lighter in weight and less bulky to carry around giving the same effect as a Minigun, .458 SOCOM Rounds could be used for this type of weapon. Delayed Blowback/Short Recoil would be the ideal operation of this device. Was thinking it could match the Spanish Meroka or the Australian Metalstorm.

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OTHER IDEAS: This is probably the easiest way of making a 3/4 Barelled Machine Gun, Works the very exact same as any GPMG just that it takes 3/4 rounds at each time.

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When firing, The rounds in the middle Chamber's are the first to shoot, Then the Outer Chambered rounds fire.

It is using either Roller Locking/Kiraly Delayed Blowback for its Operation. It uses 250 Round Belts of .458 SOCOM Rounds, The Belt feed is also the same as any conventional GPMG but modded to take 3/4 Rounds at each time.
 
The name "Chaingun" is a registered trademark, and in any case, I can't see that it is a chaingun design.

Multibarrel guns have the disadvantage of being heavy, but they can fire fast without overheating. The rapidly consumed ammo supply is also heavier than that for a slower firing gun. Trade-offs, trade-offs......

How does this one end up being better than the currently Gatling gun designs?

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My instinct was to lock this thread down. Quite frankly, it's kinda goofy.

However, you've put a lot of thought into this, so as an intellectual exercise in firearms design, I'm going to leave this one open for the time being.
 
From what I've heard this "Ripper chaingun" as you call it is very effective against alien troopers and mutant pig cops, I've heard of people using them for a close assault/cqb weapon against flying sentry drones.:D just make sure you pick up the jetpack and atomic health that are hidden behind the movie screen:neener:

A Chain Gun is normally a 7.62mm or larger weapon that uses a chain system & motor to load, cycle, fire & eject a round in the gun.

I do know of the Hughes M230 30mm chaingun which I believe is used on the Apache attack helicopter. The 25mm "Bushmaster" chaingun is found on many types of AFV.

There is also a smaller version made by Hughes which is 7.62mm NATO and weighs 29lbs this would be interesting as a squad automatic weapon, this would be similar to a weapon used during the korean war which was simply an aircraft machinegun modified to have a stock and standard trigger instead of the spade grips. This modification allowed the weapon to be used by one man. It's rate of fire was close to 2000 rounds per minute!!!:eek:
 
If you could just design the double barreled pump action "Super Shotgun" from Quake 2...
 
well gee thanks justin.
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Well, let's face it. The kid is hawking an idea that would be a "replacement for a handheld minigun."

Outside of videogames and Hollywood, there is no such animal, and his design doesn't really fill a niche that isn't already filled.
 
Why .458 SOCOM? If you're going to put up with that level of recoil in a new design, might as well go to the flatter shooting, longer range .308.

Firing mode is also wonky. Why not sequentially fire the three rounds instead of firing in 2:1 mode? You'd get a more even recoil impulse that way. That or simultaneously fire all three rounds. That'd make feeding a lot easier. It'd be interesting challenge to develop a feed system that fed three rounds at a time, especially if the barrels did not fire simultaneously. Might as well have a seperate belt and feeding system for each barrel.

Thinking about it, it'd be a lot easier to hack and weld three M249s together and call it a day. Controllable rate of fire would be a somewhat higher due to the increased weight. Barrel life would also be longer as the individual barrels see a lower rate of fire. On the flip side, the weapon would be much heavier, much more cumbersome, and somewhat more complicated. Trade offs aren't worth it.

Well, let's face it. The kid is hawking an idea that would be a "replacement for a handheld minigun."

Outside of videogames and Hollywood, there is no such animal, and his design doesn't really fill a niche that isn't already filled.
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The stillborn 5.56 mm XM-214 on it's lower rate of fire modes could have been used as a handheld minigun. 400-1000 rpm in a ~30 lb gun doesn't produce an unreasonable amount of recoil. It is feasible, but not useful. (Well, aside from looking cool.) Given that the XM-214 system and 1k of ammo weighed in at ~ 90 lbs and required two men to transport it, you might as well equip both men with 7.62 mm GPMGs.

If you could just design the double barreled pump action "Super Shotgun" from Quake 2...
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That wouldn't be that difficult to do... Whether or not you'd want to shoot one, that's a different story.
 
458 SOCOM's for wimps anyway; a REAL man would want one in 50 BMG :D Have you given any thought on how exactly someone armed with one of these is supposed to get around, not to mention his train of 40-50 ammo bearers?
 
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Ok then, It could just be used on choppers Hummers Foxholes etc.

It may not be much of an ultra fast firing weapon like a Minigun but it could shoot more than one round at a time, A bit like a Volley Gun/Meroka/Metalstorm?.

I suppose it could still fire 5.56/7.62 etc but i liked the thought of it firing the new .458 SOCOM Round.

A 3 Barreled Version could be 'Man Portable' (If it ever was to be)

And yes, Some images are from DN3D, Only took them becouse its a similar type of weapon and were the only images i could find(Apart from Nordenfelt Gun/SALVO Project/Prebor-3B 7.62x39)

There is a similar 3 Barrel gun in the movie '633 Squadron' as a German Anti Aircraft MG.

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Braith-Wafer, this is a serious firearms board. (despite the zombie threads :) ). Many of us here work in the gun industry, and we have some actual designers as well.

This gun has a lot of issues when it comes to real world practical use. You may want to do a little reading and research.
 
Come on, he said that it was a replacement for a hand-held minigun. Anyone who has had to carry one of those hand-held miniguns in the field knows that we need a lightweight replacement. That .458 SOCOM ammo has got to be lighter than the .50 BMG ammo that my governemnt-issued handheld minigun used. It looks perfect for room clearing, plinking, varmint hunting, and medium range sniping.
 
How would you belt feed a weapon like this? especially with for barrels that are side by side?

Also if he is serious and wants to design weapons why dont we just help him out, the designs are a little far fetched at best to us but to a newer person they may make some sense.
 
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first off, you are going to get a ton of recoil firing 4 barrels of 458 SOCOM

secondly, feeding 4 barrels from a single belt feed...is realisticaly impossible. Even if you could come up with some hair-brained design on paper, making it work in the real world would be impossible. If you want to do this, each barrel would have to have its own belt. You could have all the belts feed form the same container though.

Thirdly, the only thing that sould ever be "hand-held" is a pistol.

fouthly, Doom and Duke Nukem are video games. Video games dont know squat about guns. EVEN counter strike. :rolleyes: if you want to design firearms, lear about guns and how they work, then develop your own designs; dont try to make one based on a video game. Video game developers dont know anythin gabout guns; they just program things that look cool. Your designes should start by focusing on practicality and reliability; THEN you can think about making the design look better.
 
How would you belt feed a weapon like this? especially with for barrels that are side by side?
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secondly, feeding 4 barrels from a single belt feed...is realisticaly impossible. Even if you could come up with some hair-brained design on paper, making it work in the real world would be impossible. If you want to do this, each barrel would have to have its own belt. You could have all the belts feed form the same container though.
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Doable. Linked rounds would look like this: (Pardon crappy MS Paint skills.)

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Feeding would close to a normal belt feed system. Instead of having the pawl move one round over and pulling it in, it'd move over the whole 3 rnd link assembly and drag that in.
 
One time at Rifle Camp.........

Hey, how about an assualt rifle, in 10mm caseless, with an underslung 30mm pump grenade launcher.
 
Someone reads WAY too many comic books, and needs to realize that video games aren't real life... That thing ain't man portable unless you're a serious steroid monkey... My shoulder has never been the same since that day that I went through 12,000 rounds (and boy, that was tough to carry...) with my hand-held minigun...

Personally, I think the other direction would be better for development... Go for lots of bang-bang, but very low weight...

I keep suggesting it: .22LR

In the space/weight occupied by a couple hundred rounds of .308, you can store/carry a couple thousand, or more, rounds of .22LR...

As an antipersonnel weapon, imagine a helicopter with a half-dozen tippmann sized miniguns burning through their ammo... I dunno about y'all, but I most definitely wouldn't want to be within 500 yards...

Or you could kick a pallet off a chopper/plane with a couple of the little buggers, and enough ammo to keep folks heads down out to 3-400 yards out all night long...

Or one could go bigger... Think 12 gauge...

For a static positiion, such as embassy fortification, consider this... Loaded with #4 buck, it'd shred anything near, but you wouldn't have to worry about richchets travelling hundreds of yards...
 
Why the "three round links." Those tight bends between the rounds are going to break, all the time, and tremendous jerk the gun is going to put on the belt to move it is going to make the problem much worse.

The way you have the firing set up the recoil is gong to pulse instead of push. It may be hard to shoot.

Get some CAD and design it for real. With, like, dimensions and tolerances and stuff. MS Paint drawings are nice, but 3d models and prints are where the rubber hits the road.

You wanna come up with something slick? Work out a trigger/feed mechanism that selects a belt. Pull trigger one, you get ball, pull trigger two, you get APIT. (hold both, you get a mix?) That would be cool!
 
Im with Owen. seperate traditional links are a beter idea. You will need 4 of them. They will need to be staggered to avoid belt entanglements.
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4 types of potential ammo!

Ditto on getting CAD experience.

The reason "mini" guns have so many barrels is becuase of heat. hi-volume of fire builds tremendous heat; in a mini gun this heat is distributed over many barrels. in a 6 barrel mini gun, each barrel is only fired once ever 6 rounds. Your would fire 4 bullets , one from each barrel, with each pull of the trigger. Unless you rigged up a complicated series of cams and sears. This means that your design will over heat very quickly if you just "let it rip". simple ventilated heat shields wont cut it. you will need a more agressive cooling system.

Hope this helps :confused:
 
Feeding would close to a normal belt feed system. Instead of having the pawl move one round over and pulling it in, it'd move over the whole 3 rnd link assembly and drag that in.
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The loading on the belt and feed system would be 3x more than a single cartridge feeding mechanism.

actually more, because you'd have to moe the belt a lot faster to get it where it's going in time
 
The original .22 cal. AR-180 had a set up where they put four of them on a mount. Fired it at a concrete block wall and pretty much disintegrated the wall in about four seconds IIRC.
 
Was thinking it could match the Spanish Meroka or the Australian Metalstorm
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You're going to have each of four barrels discharging 250,000 rounds per minute? Better come up with something besides belts and delayed blowback bolt operation for that. Metalstorm uses electrical pulses to discharge what are effectively caseless rounds pre-loaded into the tubes. No mechanical weapon can come anywhere near that rate of fire. The M134 is the fastest firing mechanical weapon in existance at 6,000 RPM. The GAU series metric cannons are next.

Fact is, there's no feasible application for a 3 or 4 barreled full-automatic "volley gun". It would be heavy, bulky and the recoil of discharging 4 .458 Socom rounds at once would be substantial, even if the gun weighed 40 or 50 pounds. No way it could be controlled without a tripod or other mounting system.

And for the record, there has never been a military issue man portable Gatling. That stuff is pure hollywood. The one you see in T2 or predator was a cut down M134 with the ROF slowed to 2,000 RPM.
 
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