DRZinn
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Or, how about I get out of the car and defend myself and my property, hmmm?
Road Rage
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cracked butt
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Actually in my case you would be right. My main commuter vehicle is a beat up old pickup truck. It wouldn't be hard for me in a fit of panic to accidentally throw the tranny in reverse and back up a few feet then realize my mistake and throw it into forward gear and run his skinny arse over.
Mornard
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Never discount us old dads. Old age and treachery can beat youth and skill anytime...
I just don't get too worked up while on the road. I let people in, cut me off and I give more following room. I use my signal ALL THE TIME... people close the gap on me.. terrible ???????s out there but I just let it all slide. For me, it's just not worth it to get worked up about.... 
I don't intend to get hit--I use my head for many things that are very important to me.
I don't intend to hit--I use my hands for many things that are very important to me.
I wouldn't wait for him to come "visit."
If I couldn't get away, I would have the gun ready. When he got close enough I would position it so he could see it without pointing it at him. I would make sure the gun was not visible except to him. I would smile, not threaten, and I wouldn't raise my voice or use profanity when I told him to return to his vehicle.
I don't intend to hit--I use my hands for many things that are very important to me.
I wouldn't wait for him to come "visit."
If I couldn't get away, I would have the gun ready. When he got close enough I would position it so he could see it without pointing it at him. I would make sure the gun was not visible except to him. I would smile, not threaten, and I wouldn't raise my voice or use profanity when I told him to return to his vehicle.
Have to side with the old man here. yes, flipping the bird back was dumb, not something I'd do. That said, some people need reminding that if you start something the other person may well finish it. Call me old fashioned or a reactionary loony but I don't like bullys and when the 17 yo got out of the car he knew the risks. BooHoo, no sympathy whatsoever. In an ideal world he'd have have been placed over a knee and given a public spanking. That is how you treat misbehaving little boys after all.
HankB
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I live in Texas, where people are known to carry (gasp!) GUNS.
Starting a road rage incident with a total stranger who may be armed (as the 17yo did) is the mark of a FOOL.
I don't care what FOOLS think about my driving, so when some FOOL flips me the bird or something, I don't respond in kind.
My ego is solid enough that it won't be bruised if I fail to respond in kind to a 17yo fool, so I'm not going to be the one who escalates the situation to the point where I have to employ deadly force. ALL escalation to that point will be on the part of the FOOL - not me.
Starting a road rage incident with a total stranger who may be armed (as the 17yo did) is the mark of a FOOL.
I don't care what FOOLS think about my driving, so when some FOOL flips me the bird or something, I don't respond in kind.
My ego is solid enough that it won't be bruised if I fail to respond in kind to a 17yo fool, so I'm not going to be the one who escalates the situation to the point where I have to employ deadly force. ALL escalation to that point will be on the part of the FOOL - not me.
Rockrivr1
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Unfortunately I've been in this situation once. Guy pulled out of a fast food restuarant without even looking and almost took out the side of my car. When we reached a light I was still smoldering pretty bad and pulled up along side on purpose. I also deliberately made eye contact which immediately escalated to a verbal altercation between us. Before I knew it he was out of his car and I was so pissed I jumped out of mine. What transpired after that was a lot of screaming, yelling, body bumping and it was about to come to blows when an off duty officer appeared and broke us up. Luckily he was off duty and didn't want to become "ON" duty to arrest us for causing a commotion. We went our separate ways then. I can relate though to that Dad. When your blood gets pumping you can have a tendency to make rash, heat of the moment decisions that don't exactly follow the best course of action. Live and learn I guess.
"I don't have a problem with the father's actions. Road rage my rear end, that punk was asking for (and got) what he deserved. Too bad his father hadn't done that years ago, he might not have turned out to be a sphincter."
"Have to side with the old man here. yes, flipping the bird back was dumb, not something I'd do. That said, some people need reminding that if you start something the other person may well finish it. Call me old fashioned or a reactionary loony but I don't like bullys and when the 17 yo got out of the car he knew the risks. BooHoo, no sympathy whatsoever. In an ideal world he'd have have been placed over a knee and given a public spanking. That is how you treat misbehaving little boys after all."
Guess I'm old fashioned also. Time past people stood up for thier honor, and insults and poor behaviour were not tolerated in public. I also believe the punk got exactly what he deserved, and I also think it may have taught him something that may keep him out of prison some day. Our society seems to want to teach the young that there is no responsibility for their actions, that they can do as they will and have no consequences. Bravo for the old guy showing the error of that way of thinking. If some feel better critisizing him as being full of macho BS, it doesn't bother me. I think he did the right thing.
"he might have had a razor..." I think in that case the old guy would have likely taken him apart. I see too much of the world today sitting wringing their hands about how things may be bad, but they don't want to get involved or get hurt, so do nothing. This just encourages this sort of antisocial behaviour. Sounds like the "..die a thousand deaths" quote in action, rather than the one death of the courageous man.
"Have to side with the old man here. yes, flipping the bird back was dumb, not something I'd do. That said, some people need reminding that if you start something the other person may well finish it. Call me old fashioned or a reactionary loony but I don't like bullys and when the 17 yo got out of the car he knew the risks. BooHoo, no sympathy whatsoever. In an ideal world he'd have have been placed over a knee and given a public spanking. That is how you treat misbehaving little boys after all."
Guess I'm old fashioned also. Time past people stood up for thier honor, and insults and poor behaviour were not tolerated in public. I also believe the punk got exactly what he deserved, and I also think it may have taught him something that may keep him out of prison some day. Our society seems to want to teach the young that there is no responsibility for their actions, that they can do as they will and have no consequences. Bravo for the old guy showing the error of that way of thinking. If some feel better critisizing him as being full of macho BS, it doesn't bother me. I think he did the right thing.
"he might have had a razor..." I think in that case the old guy would have likely taken him apart. I see too much of the world today sitting wringing their hands about how things may be bad, but they don't want to get involved or get hurt, so do nothing. This just encourages this sort of antisocial behaviour. Sounds like the "..die a thousand deaths" quote in action, rather than the one death of the courageous man.
38SnubFan
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Not to say that the 17-year-old DIDN'T deserve to get his butt handed to him, because he certainly DID! However, I take a calmer approach to road rage than I used to, and most of that comes from being armed anytime I'm not at work or at home (and I at least have my gun within reach when I'm at home).
They give me the bird. I wave. What they don't know is, me waving at them is actually me giving them A WHOLE BOUQUET (sp?) of that special finger.
Now, if they're just hollering and looking for a fight, I'm gonna calmly put the car in gear and drive away from them. If I can't move the car, then I stay in it while dialing 911 and wait for police to deal with them. If they start kicking, tire-slashing, or otherwise damaging my car, then I'm stepping out and defending my property by any means necessary, be it fists or firearms.
All that said, I'm taking the RATIONAL, CALM, BETTER-MAN-THAN-THE-PUNK-TEENAGER approach.
There are many times when violence must be met with stronger violence. However, I don't think this was one of them. If anything, my VERBAL response to this punk would be, "You talk a lot of sh** for someone who hasn't said much!"
Even then I'm not so sure about saying anything to him but, "GET LOST!" as I don't want to be fingered in court as aggravating the incident or "walking" a Disorderly Conduct/Road Rage out of the kid.
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They give me the bird. I wave. What they don't know is, me waving at them is actually me giving them A WHOLE BOUQUET (sp?) of that special finger.
A lot of good that does if you're already out the vehicle!
Now, if they're just hollering and looking for a fight, I'm gonna calmly put the car in gear and drive away from them. If I can't move the car, then I stay in it while dialing 911 and wait for police to deal with them. If they start kicking, tire-slashing, or otherwise damaging my car, then I'm stepping out and defending my property by any means necessary, be it fists or firearms.
All that said, I'm taking the RATIONAL, CALM, BETTER-MAN-THAN-THE-PUNK-TEENAGER approach.
There are many times when violence must be met with stronger violence. However, I don't think this was one of them. If anything, my VERBAL response to this punk would be, "You talk a lot of sh** for someone who hasn't said much!"
Even then I'm not so sure about saying anything to him but, "GET LOST!" as I don't want to be fingered in court as aggravating the incident or "walking" a Disorderly Conduct/Road Rage out of the kid.
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svtruth
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The Bird
Seem to remember that a guy gave a state trooper (don't know what state) the bird, statie arrested him, guy took it to SCOTUS, and won as being within his First Ammendment rights.
Seem to remember that a guy gave a state trooper (don't know what state) the bird, statie arrested him, guy took it to SCOTUS, and won as being within his First Ammendment rights.
357wheelgunner
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Why the hell would your Dad keep a gun under his seat, then when he may need it most leave it behind?
I wish America was still a place where two men could have a fight, walk away from it, without the constant threat of someone's feelings getting hurt and them pulling a weapon. Once in high school a guy 2 years older than me dumped a bag of potato chips on my head so I took him on. I won the fight, he pulled a knife. Instead of drawing my benchmade and ending up with a manslaughter charge, I left the knife clipped to my pocket and kept a cool head. He ended up in reconstructive surgery for his dislocated shoulder and I walked away uncut with a newfound appreciation for avoiding trouble. I have only been in one fight since then and I tried to back out of it. That fight occured in the dairy isle at a pic n' save with a gangbanger who challenged me outside the store. I took "the high road" and walked away, he followed me in. Again I was armed but I left my knife in my pocket and again I came out unscathed. Sadly that fight pushed me to move away, as word spread to the local gangbangers that I had beaten their "homie" and deserved a big beatdown. I was followed by cars full of gangster wannabes a number of times, very scary. I moved to TN where my wife, daughter and I now live, never to return to the Milwaukee/Chicago area.
Sometimes you can't back off, most of the time you can.
I wish America was still a place where two men could have a fight, walk away from it, without the constant threat of someone's feelings getting hurt and them pulling a weapon. Once in high school a guy 2 years older than me dumped a bag of potato chips on my head so I took him on. I won the fight, he pulled a knife. Instead of drawing my benchmade and ending up with a manslaughter charge, I left the knife clipped to my pocket and kept a cool head. He ended up in reconstructive surgery for his dislocated shoulder and I walked away uncut with a newfound appreciation for avoiding trouble. I have only been in one fight since then and I tried to back out of it. That fight occured in the dairy isle at a pic n' save with a gangbanger who challenged me outside the store. I took "the high road" and walked away, he followed me in. Again I was armed but I left my knife in my pocket and again I came out unscathed. Sadly that fight pushed me to move away, as word spread to the local gangbangers that I had beaten their "homie" and deserved a big beatdown. I was followed by cars full of gangster wannabes a number of times, very scary. I moved to TN where my wife, daughter and I now live, never to return to the Milwaukee/Chicago area.
Sometimes you can't back off, most of the time you can.
38SNUBFAN -> If they start kicking, tire-slashing, or otherwise damaging my car, then I'm stepping out and defending my property by any means necessary, be it fists or firearms.
Hmm..deadly force to protect property? That's intelligent. Not exactly in keeping w/ PA law, either. Say HI to bubba.
Hmm..deadly force to protect property? That's intelligent. Not exactly in keeping w/ PA law, either. Say HI to bubba.
MikeIsaj
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Dad was foolish for returning the finger salute (honestly I would have done the same thing). Dad was foolish for getting out of the car and in Pa. would have been criminally liable for escalating the disorderly conduct. Dad's use of force was not justified because he intentionally escalated the situation and failed to retreat when possible. Dad was lucky he wasn't injured/killed.
All that said, Dad did a public service to the community. I guarantee you this little terrorist had done this before. Kids become punk bullies because no one stands up to them. No one wants to risk getting in trouble with the law so they curl up in a ball and beg for mercy. Sometimes you have to stand your ground, putting yourself at risk. The young man benefited from a shot in the snot locker and should consider himself lucky to have learned a lesson and still be alive.
All that said, Dad did a public service to the community. I guarantee you this little terrorist had done this before. Kids become punk bullies because no one stands up to them. No one wants to risk getting in trouble with the law so they curl up in a ball and beg for mercy. Sometimes you have to stand your ground, putting yourself at risk. The young man benefited from a shot in the snot locker and should consider himself lucky to have learned a lesson and still be alive.
straightShot
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57 is old? I didn't know that.
38SnubFan
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Please re-read my post and quit putting words in my mouth. I said by means NECESSARY, meaning fists first, unless it becomes a lethal encounter (he pulls a knife, gun, or other potentially-lethal weapon); then FIREARMS.
HAHAHA! My father turns 57 this august. To quote him: "I'll think about being old when I'm 92. For a second. Then I'll go back to what I was doing."
Gotta love a spirit like that.
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