Robbers Run When Citizen Shoots Back

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Rochester, N.Y. - Police are looking for two men they say tried to rob a 61-year old man on his way home from the store Wednesday night only to have him shoot back with his own gun.

The attempted robbery and retaliation occurred just after 11:15 p.m. on Tubman Way in the city.

Police said when the two approached the victim, one grabbed him and the other pulled a knife. The victim quickly pulled his own gun and fired at the suspects. His gun is licensed and legally registered, police said.

The suspects ran away.

The two young men are described as African-American men in their 20s; one stands 6'1" tall and weighs about 190 pounds. He was wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt.

The second man is about 5'7" and was wearing a black sweatshirt. Reportedly, he's the one who carried the knife. Nobody was hurt.

If you have information, please help the investigating officers by calling Crime Stoppers at 423-9300.
 
The attempted robbery and retaliation occurred just after 11:15 p.m. on Tubman Way in the city.
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–noun
the act of retaliating; return of like for like; reprisal.

Retaliation?!? Give me a break! Notice how they convertly slipped that one in there to make the 61 year old VICTIM sound like a gang banger or something. How about defensive action? Heck, I would even settle for defensive shooting. But retaliation?
 
Love to read stories like one; thanks for sharing it.

I also don't think that the reporter was trying to slip some hidden agenda into the report with the use of the word retaliation. Not every media type is lurking out there, trying to inject personal beliefs into stories, IMO. The guy in the story was retaliating; his act was a reprisal for what he experienced. Sure, you could call it something else, but retaliation works for fine for me in the sitaution in question.
 
Which word would you like your jury to hear at a trial?

Retaliation or defensive?

While the reporter may not have intentionally put that slant on it, it does speak volumes about society's view of guns and those that carry them.
 
Come to think of it, I don't think "retaliation" was the right word either, but, admittedly it got past me on first read. Words are important, methinks, and even if the psychological effect isn't immediate and profound, it certainly is real.

How different does the story sound if one replaces "retaliation" with "retribution", even though they are synonyms? The nuance makes the victim take on a darker motive.

What about replacing "retaliation" with "its routing"? That plays more to what the victim did rather than that the victim did it with "a gun".

At least the author used "victim".
 
The attempted robbery and retaliation occurred just after 11:15 p.m. on Tubman Way in the city.
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I am not so sure that was accidental. The real way to write that is: "The attempted robbery occurred just after...". The action was an attempted robbery. The man successfully defended himself. he could even have gone to "thwarted robbery" or the like. Instead he called it an attempted robbery and retaliation. The criminals initiated the contact, attacked the victim, he defended himself.

Retaliation would be him running down the street shooting at them as they fled or hunting them down after the fact. He fired those shots in self defense. Retaliation does not even fit in that sentence, looks forced in, IMO. Coming from WNY, I know the anti-gun mentality prevalent with many folks in the area, especially the media. I would be more likely to believe it a deliberate addition.
 
If the reporter were in the least bit neutral on the whole self defense subject he should have phrased that sentence like this

The Incident occurred just after 11:15 p.m. on Tubman Way in the city.

Or simply said the attempted robbery occurred just after 11:15 p.m. on Tubman Way in the city.


searcher451 I think you're a bit naive as to the medias agenda when it comes to guns and the issue of using them for self defense Sir .

The act of retaliation would usually be something that happened after the original attack had ended and been a clear and intentionally planned action on the part of the victim in where he is no longer the victim but does indeed become the aggressor .

If someone were to walk up and begin beating you with or without any type of weapon and you responded by picking up something laying on the ground and hit them or tried to get them to STOP their attack on you by attempting to hit would you consider your actions retaliation or a reflex defensive action that you automatically and instinctively did in an effort to protect yourself ?

Now if after the attack had ended and a period of time had passed you found them say a few blocks away and you attacked them to get even that would clearly be a retaliatory action on your part and in the eyes of the law YOU would be the one committing a crime !
 
Poor shooting skills, lol, he should have winged one of them from that range.
 
his act was a reprisal for what he experienced. Sure, you could call it something else, but retaliation works for fine for me in the sitaution in question.
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Retaliation implies "getting even" for something. Defending your life against criminals doesn't really "get you even" with anything. NavyLT is spot on.

If a cop shot someone a fleeing armed bank robber would you say the cop retaliated against him? Of course not.....
 
"Searcher451 I think you're a bit naive as to the medias agenda when it comes to guns and the issue of using them for self defense Sir ."

Big0: And I appreciate your viewpoint, even though we clearly disagree. Everyone in the media is not out to get us. We have media people on this very forum who are not out to get us. We see stories posted here time and again where the reporting was handled accurately and responsibly; THR members even weigh in and agree. To automatically jump to the conclusion that something snarky is/was going on every time you read a word that may not be as precise as the one that we'd all like to see is, at the very least, the same type of stereotyping that we seem to accuse the media of so readily. But again, sir, I appreciate your point of view. I just don't agree with it.

Could the reporter have used a better word? Sure. Does that mean that the reporter is part of some big media conspiracy/agenda? I don't think so.
 
It isn't that everyone in the MSM is personally out to get us. But they are all part of a well-established system. That system includes not merely reporters but layers of editorial staff and bosses who in nearly all cases *ARE* out to get us and to push a center-left agenda.

You'll see this over and over again in the choices made for headlines and the terms used. The reporter may have been overruled or had no involvement at all. It happens to most stories relating to self defense shootings, and with other topics as well. Peruse the discussions of Obamacare and see how the discussions of its Constitutionality always end with a reassuring citation to some law professor (99% of whom are left wing) who believes it will absolutely be upheld. That's not exactly balanced reporting, but it's the sort of thing they love to do. Push an agenda by tweaking the stories.

And they wonder why they're losing so much readership.
 
I didn't think anything negative or positive about the use of 'retaliation'.

However, this sentence caught my attention as soon as I read it:

"The victim quickly pulled his own gun and fired at the suspects."

The use of the word "own" is completely unecessary, since there was only one gun in use (the criminals only had a knife).

Too bad he didn't hit them. He probably had enough self-restraint to refrain from firing at them as they ran away, which no doubt saved him a lot of leal trouble.
 
The attempted robbery and retaliation occurred just after 11:15 p.m. on Tubman Way in the city.
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What!! retaliation? the man was trying to defend himself that is not retaliation! it would be if he ran to their homes and beat them up. WOAh that is sick and twisted:barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::fire:

So he should he just stood there and let them rob him?:confused::barf::scrutiny:

The attempted robbery and *defense measure* occurred just after 11:15 p.m. on Tubman Way in the city
^* *^ SHOULD BE!​
 
So he should he just stood there and let them rob him?
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Well of course! Remember, if you comply you won't get hurt. And the police will promptly find the robbers and you'll get your possessions back and the sun will come out and there will be like five rainbows. But crime doesn't happen to innocent people anyway so don't worry about it.

/end sarcasm

I'm glad the man wasn't hurt. And that those criminals might think twice before trying to rob another seemingly defenseless old guy :D
 
Horrible! Absolutely horrible, and we’ve not yet got to chastising the reporter for incorrect use of a comma!


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Police said when the two approached the victim, one grabbed him and the other pulled a knife.
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Put that reporter into the Society Page Section!!!
 
The guy in the story was retaliating; his act was a reprisal for what he experienced. Sure, you could call it something else, but retaliation works for fine for me in the sitaution in question.
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If that's true, the shooter committed a crime, pure and simple.
 
NavyLT said:
While the reporter may not have intentionally put that slant on it, it does speak volumes about society's view of guns and those that carry them.
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I basically agree w/ NavyLT, however, I would replace "society's" with "the media's". Napoleon said not to attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. Maybe the reporter - if indeed the words were his choice - has no firearms experience beyond what he sees on TV or reports on. If he reports on gang shootings, where rival criminals do actually retaliate, I'd bet dollars to donuts that that term is "stuck" in his lexicon, so to speak.
 
Happened here too, a couple dude broke into a house and the residents started shooting at them, one killed the other ran away presumably unharmed
 
Aparently from what i have read on here we are no longer allowed to post of discuss news articles because of THR's mission statement. Seeing how popular these threads are maybe we could get a subforum for discussing self defense/gun related news articles?
 
The two young men are described as African-American men in their 20s; one stands 6'1" tall and weighs about 190 pounds. He was wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt.

The second man is about 5'7" and was wearing a black sweatshirt. Reportedly, he's the one who carried the knife. Nobody was hurt.

If you have information, please help the investigating officers by calling Crime Stoppers at 423-9300
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I wonder if their switchboard's lighted up like a Christmas tree?:D
 
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