Robbery gun looked real

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there are actually 2 news storys here from a local paper. i think i know where this will go but still wanted some thoughts. for more info go to to www.niagara-gazette.com and search sheard

i am most upset because the public is turning this kid into a maryter and i just dont understand how a 16yr old could not understand the possible immediate consequences of his actions in an armed robbery

your thoughts greatly appreciated


Robbery gun looked real
By Rick Pfeiffer
Saturday, April 23, 2005


It might be the most famous gun in the world.

The Walther PPK was James Bond’s gun and there’s a good reason why the fictional secret agent was armed with it. As handguns go, the Walther is compact, powerful and easy to use.

If it’s good for secret agents, it apparently also works for would-be robbers.

Wednesday night, a Falls pizza deliveryman stared down the barrel of what looked like a Walther PPK. As a pair of bandits beat him, the man drew his own weapon, a .40 caliber semi-automatic handgun and pulled the trigger.

His bullet found its mark, killing one of his attackers and sending the other one running. Only when police began processing the crime scene did they realize the gun being brandished by 16-year-old Anthony “Tony†Sheard was an air pistol, a gun that fires pellets instead of bullets.

“It can be deadly,†Falls Police Detective Captain Ernest Palmer said of the pellet gun. “It has been deadly in the past and is very capable of causing serious physical injury.â€

Not only can the air pistol inflect a fatal injury, but a side by side comparison between Sheard’s air pistol and a real Walther PPK shows the two guns are virtually identical. Palmer believes the pizza deliveryman had every reason to think he was about to be shot.

“It would be impossible to distinguish the difference between a Walther PPK and this gun,†Palmer said. “Especially in a dark alley.â€

Detectives say Sheard and his cousin, 16-year-old Aldeaz M. Lewis, were lying in wait for the pizza deliveryman in an alley behind a home in the 1300 block of Pierce Avenue. After being waved to the alley by a group of teens on the front porch of the home, the deliveryman got out of his car and saw a young man, his face partially masked by a bandana, start to approach him.

In the ensuing struggle, the deliveryman said “the contents of his pants were emptied,†including money, his wallet and a pistol permit.

“He then described seeing a pistol in the hands of one of his assailants,†Palmer said, “and as he was falling to the ground, he reached for a holster on his right hip, drew his .40 caliber, semi-automatic handgun and fired one shot.â€

The shot hit Sheard in the head, killing him instantly. Niagara County Coroner James Joyce said an autopsy showed Sheard suffered a gunshot wound to the rear of his head, with the bullet exiting through his left temple.

“His death was attributed to a perforating gunshot wound to the head,†Palmer said.

Since the deliveryman told investigators he fired the shot as he was falling to the ground, Palmer said the autopsy results confirm the man’s account of what happened.

“It is consistent with what he told us,†Palmer said. “The angle of the entry wound would line up with where (the deliveryman) was.â€

Lewis, who police said fled after his cousin was shot, was arraigned in Falls City Court on Friday on a charge of second-degree robbery. He pleaded innocent and was jailed pending further court proceedings.

Detectives, again, said the deliveryman would not face any charges. Palmer said his actions were “justified.â€

“Even if the assailant was not armed with a gun, New York State law, under certain circumstances, would permit the use of deadly physical force to prevent a robbery in progress,†Palmer said.

“These kids had no idea they could be killed doing this,†he said. “They didn’t understand the consequences of their actions.â€

Sheard shooting will go to grand jury
By Rick Pfeiffer
Wednesday, May 04, 2005


The case of a Falls pizza deliveryman, who shot and killed one of two teenagers who were attempting to rob him, will go to a Niagara County grand jury.

“We are going to conduct an investigation,†Niagara County District Attorney Matthew J. Murphy III said, “and it will probably be submitted to the grand jury sometime in June.â€

Murphy’s announcement was hailed by the family of Anthony “Tony†Sheard, the 16-year-old Niagara Falls High School 10th-grader who was killed by a single gunshot wound to the head.

“We’re pleased,†Sheard’s paternal grandmother Doris Bradford said Tuesday.

His uncle, Anthony Mitchell, said he hoped the grand jury would hear evidence from people other than police investigators.

“They (police) went solely by what the pizza man told them,†Mitchell said.

Sheard was shot and killed two weeks ago as he and a cousin, Aldeaz Lewis, tried to rob a deliveryman from Ventry’s Pizza at gunpoint.

Falls Police have not charged the deliveryman. Investigators said the man’s gun was registered and he had a license to carry the weapon.

“All the evidence at the scene backs up the version of the shooter,†Falls Police Detective Captain Ernest Palmer said. “We have no reason to believe he did anything wrong. It certainly appears to be a justified use of deadly physical force,â€

What Murphy will look at, and what the grand jury will review, is whether the deliveryman was “justified†in using deadly physical force to defend himself from Sheard and Lewis.

The section of the New York State Penal Law that will guide Murphy and the grand jury, is known as Article 35. The article is titled “Defense of Justification.â€

“The law applies to police and every citizen, even lawyers and reporters,†Buffalo attorney Thomas Burton said. “It is the law which governs the use of force which would otherwise, be criminal.â€

Burton, a former police officer and a former assistant district attorney, knows what he’s talking about. He’s one of the foremost experts on interpreting Article 35 in New York state.

He teaches cops at the Erie County Law Enforcement Academy on how to apply the law while they work the streets. However, Burton stresses, the law doesn’t just apply to police.

It covers all citizens, including pizza drivers.

In general, Article 35 provides that “A person may ... use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he reasonably believes such to be necessary to defend himself ... from what he reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by (another) person.â€

In the case of the pizza delivery driver, he told investigators he saw a gun.

“He (the pizza deliveryman) described seeing a pistol in the hands of one of his assailants (Sheard),†Palmer said, “and as he was falling to the ground, he reached to a holster on his right hip and drew a .40 caliber, semi-automatic handgun and fired one shot.â€

Section 15, Sub-section 2 of Article 35 appears to apply directly to the circumstances facing the deliveryman. It reads, “A person (may) use deadly physical force upon another person (if) he reasonably believes that such other person is using or is about to use deadly physical force (against him).â€

“The key in all these circumstances is imminent use or threat of use of deadly physical force,†Burton said.

Though Article 35 does require, in some circumstances, a person to retreat from danger before using deadly physical force, that requirement does not apply when a person “reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attemptingo commit ... (a) robbery.â€

“Even if the assailant was not armed with a gun, New York state law, under certain circumstances, would permit the use of deadly physical force to prevent a robbery in progress,†Palmer said
 
So...

Why is this going to court at all?

Imbeciles attempted a robbery, and probably would have gotten clear if one of them hadn't pulled a gun....

The Pizza driver apparently resisted the use of deadly force until it appeared that his life was definitely in danger. Then he acted to save his own life.

After-the-fact analysis may prove that the BG's gun wasn't real, wasn't loaded, wasn't operative, or, in this case, possibly not legally defined as a firearm (I'm not sure what NY law is on this thing), but all that's necessary is reasonably clear knowledge that it appeared to be a deadly weapon. (IMHO, and IANAL, it could be a brick too.) Self defense is self defense.

Some prosecutor looking for self-aggrandizement or Political Correctness points because the kid was a "good boy"? :cuss:
 
The article seems to make it the law that anytime force is used that would normally be illegal, the assessment of need is made by a grand jury, at least at first. This is even for police officers.

As long as the cops get hauled before a grand jury whenever they have to beat or shoot somebody, I don't have a problem with this.

“All the evidence at the scene backs up the version of the shooter,†Falls Police Detective Captain Ernest Palmer said. “We have no reason to believe he did anything wrong. It certainly appears to be a justified use of deadly physical force,â€
His uncle, Anthony Mitchell, said he hoped the grand jury would hear evidence from people other than police investigators.

“They (police) went solely by what the pizza man told them,†Mitchell said.

What other people? And it doesn't sound like they went 'solely' by what the delivery driver said, but reconstructed the events and found that they matched his story.
 
Cops get hauled in front of the grand jury routinely when they hurt/kill someone. This isnt a big deal, more of a pro forma investigative step that in the case of a "good" use of force results in a nolle pros, no indictment rendered. I wouldnt read anything negative into it and typically it is good PR for the community. It also keeps the police (or citizen in this case) accountable to the public.
 
As handguns go, the Walther is compact, powerful and easy to use.

What a journalist :rolleyes: I thought the smaller and more compact a handgun was the harder it is to achieve the same level of accuracy as a full size gun.
 
Hm....

As handguns go, the Walther is compact, powerful and easy to use.
Actually, it's got a bit of a kick to it....

What a journalist. I thought the smaller and more compact a handgun was the harder it is to achieve the same level of accuracy as a full size gun.
Dunno - that's kind of a "assault" pistol then.... :what:

I don't expect journalists to understand this stuff.... Some years back we had a shooting which was reported as having been done with a "high power assault rifle." (Kinda stretches "high power" in some cases, but I'll give 'em that.) Turned out to be a .22 target pistol....

However, my nephew showed up at mom's house one time for a visit with a toy gun. Sure looked like my PPK/S until I tried to open the action! Before the "red end" stuff too - maybe 25 years ago. I was tempted to show him a real one, but.... (His dad owned a gun at the time. I hadn't heard what kind, but the kid was about five, so one expects anything. If it'd been my kid, I'd have been sure he knew what it was, and how to deal with it. My daughter was about 3 when we started that sort of thing.)

I understand that having the Grand Jury bless the event may be necessary, but it sure looks like one more chance for the pizza guy to put his foot in his mouth before he gets to Civil Court as the idiot's family attempt to win the lottery over this. Not to mention the price of a good lawyer....

(I consider two local judges as friends, if not particularly close, and the County Sheriff is a very old friend. I still don't trust the legal system.... And I'm not particularly cynical about "government".... These guys are honest, but our last Sheriff is still in jail, I think, and another Judge got nailed for DUI about two days before she was scheduled to participate in an anti-DUI meeting for teenagers at a local hospital. An event for kids with various driving-related convictions, including drugs and alcohol....)
 
Just a point of info, the shooter wouldnt be called to testify as it would kick in the Fifth. I suppose he could be subpoened, but he couldnt be made to talk. The DA will undoubtably call the cops in, and if their public statements are any indication the guy will probably get a medal instead of an indictment. Other "witnesses" may be called, but credibility being what it is......
 
and as he was falling to the ground, he reached for a holster on his right hip, drew his .40 caliber, semi-automatic handgun and fired one shot.â€

Good work!
 
I think the kid got what he deserved.

Maybe the extra media and trial attention will serve as a cautionary tale to other youths that are so inclined at a life of crime and violence.
 
Darwin triumphs again.

I would have to say that the kid got what was coming to him, and at a very low cost to the taxpayer.

A solid win for everyone. A shame the other one got away.
 
The article seems to make it the law that anytime force is used that would normally be illegal, the assessment of need is made by a grand jury, at least at first. This is even for police officers.
Where do you see that in the portion(s) of the law cited? I don't see that.

Loks to me like the prosecutor is seeing a minority "youth" killed while commiting a felony, a bunch of minority people whining because the kid got himself killed, and said prosecutor doesn't have sufficient moxie to decide on his onw that the shooting was justified. Unless NY state is different from most other states in more ways than I knew, he has the discretion to drop the case or to bring it before the grand jury. In this case, giving it to the grand jury is the coward's route. He is covering his political ass-ets.
 
Where do you see that in the portion(s) of the law cited? I don't see that.

Loks to me like the prosecutor is seeing a minority "youth" killed while commiting a felony, a bunch of minority people whining because the kid got himself killed, and said prosecutor doesn't have sufficient moxie to decide on his onw that the shooting was justified. Unless NY state is different from most other states in more ways than I knew, he has the discretion to drop the case or to bring it before the grand jury. In this case, giving it to the grand jury is the coward's route. He is covering his political ass-ets.

Here:
“The law applies to police and every citizen, even lawyers and reporters,†Buffalo attorney Thomas Burton said. “It is the law which governs the use of force which would otherwise, be criminal.â€

There's a reason that I used the word 'seems'. The article implies it, but doesn't outright say it.

I'll repeat my statement before: I have no problems with the delivery guy having to go before a grand jury as long as the cops have to too. A life has been taken. A investigation has to occur. A decision made. And by having the grand jury be the deciding vote, it becomes more than a rubber stamp.
 
Since the police determined that the physical evidence matched his account and the officers this should have never gone to the grand jury.

Taking it to the grand jury requires him to retain a lawyer and imposes significant legal fees on him.

The guy is a pizza deliverer. He shouldn't be bankrupted in court for defending his life.

It's the prosecutor's job to prosecute criminals and defend inocent people, not punish innocent people for defending themselves.

When the grand jury clear him, he should be able to sue the family of the kid that died and his cousin to recover his legal expenses and make up for any lost wages.

The cousin who took part in the robbery should be charged with felony murder for taking part in a felony that resulted in someone's death.
 
It's hard to tell what happened in this case.

I can tell you that a number of the AirSoft-type guns do look very much like the guns they intend to duplicate.

The thing that sounds funny to me is that the BG took the round to the back of the head. Did the guy turn at the last minute, or was he running away. This may be the key to why the delivery driver is going to court.

I say drag the delivery driver to the steps of the court house, invite the press and give the guy medals for fighting crime and marksmanship!
 
What Murphy will look at, and what the grand jury will review, is whether the deliveryman was “justified†in using deadly physical force to defend himself from Sheard and Lewis.

Ummm...

If you are being beaten, and then you assialiants pull out a gun, and you aren't justified to use your CCW YET, I don't really see the point in having one.
 
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