Rock River AR-15
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Outlaw Man
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I'd say they're as good or better than DPMS.
newglockguy
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RRA is far better
RainDodger
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I consider my RRA AR to be as good or better, certainly equal to Colt, S&W and a very nice old SGW that I have to compare it to - the SGW has a wonderful 20" barrel also. There are many reasons why. First is accuracy. It's a 20" free floated barrel and the lower has the RRA National Match trigger, which is just about the equal of the Geissele SSA-E triggers in my other rifles.
What more can you say about a rifle that will shoot less than 1 MOA, has a great trigger, it's finished very well and has never, ever failed to function? I added a Leupold Mark AR scope and Leupold mount to mine. If I needed/wanted another AR, RRA would be a contender for sure.
What more can you say about a rifle that will shoot less than 1 MOA, has a great trigger, it's finished very well and has never, ever failed to function? I added a Leupold Mark AR scope and Leupold mount to mine. If I needed/wanted another AR, RRA would be a contender for sure.
ugaarguy
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RRA is better than DPMS in almost any AR-15 configuration, but that isn't saying much.. They're a pretty good option in target configurations. They're not good for other uses compared to just about any brand besides DPMS.
What is your intended use?
What is your intended use?
Are you guys on DOPE? :banghead:
RRA is about a hundred miles away from the TDP. They are no where near BCM, COLT, or DD. It's better than buying an Olympic Arms, but it's strictly a recreational gun at best.
I guarantee you aren't getting an MPI'd bolt that's C158, and their barrel steel sure as hell isn't 4150. I'd be hard pressed to point out ONE thing on a RRA that meets the spec.
Now you may say... I don't need a military grade rifle. GREAT! But don't kid yourself that a RRA is just as good. IT ISN'T.
RRA is about a hundred miles away from the TDP. They are no where near BCM, COLT, or DD. It's better than buying an Olympic Arms, but it's strictly a recreational gun at best.
I guarantee you aren't getting an MPI'd bolt that's C158, and their barrel steel sure as hell isn't 4150. I'd be hard pressed to point out ONE thing on a RRA that meets the spec.
Now you may say... I don't need a military grade rifle. GREAT! But don't kid yourself that a RRA is just as good. IT ISN'T.
I 've heard good things from RRA owners. 1 step above the DPMS IMO, but I run a Colt 6920, which many will say is crap compared to LMT or LWRC or BMC....blahblah...oh geez, look ^^^, it's a "Chart" guy...
....buy one and run it, you'll like it.
....buy one and run it, you'll like it.
Hentown,
Do you honestly believe that regardless of price a better gun cannot be bought? That is inane. First lets identify use. As a percision rig something like a LaRue OBR is vastly superior. The obr would also fill multie roles MUCH better than anything RRA makes. For a defensive gun there are a number of choices that are also vastly superior. For just about any task one could imangine some one like LaRue, Noveske, KAC, etc makes a better gun.
Do you honestly believe that regardless of price a better gun cannot be bought? That is inane. First lets identify use. As a percision rig something like a LaRue OBR is vastly superior. The obr would also fill multie roles MUCH better than anything RRA makes. For a defensive gun there are a number of choices that are also vastly superior. For just about any task one could imangine some one like LaRue, Noveske, KAC, etc makes a better gun.
benEzra
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I like mine (16" midlength). Fit and finish is excellent. They cut some corners during assembly, though; the gas key was not well staked and the castle nut was not staked at all (thankfully a LE AR-15 armorer graciously torqued and staked my key for me, and I did the castle nut with a punch). I opted for the NATO chamber, chrome lining, and a Vortex flash suppressor, but I'm not sure if you can still get a chrome lined barrel from the factory. I've replaced the charging handle with a BCM.
Mine is quite accurate, chrome lining and all, though the Wilson heavy barrel makes it a bit nose-heavy.
If I had it to do over again, I'd probably get a BCM 16" middy in a lighter barrel profile, but I like mine. I do want to replace the trigger assembly with a Giessele trigger (the RRA 2-stage trigger is pleasant to shoot, but has a reputation for not being super durable).
Mine is quite accurate, chrome lining and all, though the Wilson heavy barrel makes it a bit nose-heavy.
If I had it to do over again, I'd probably get a BCM 16" middy in a lighter barrel profile, but I like mine. I do want to replace the trigger assembly with a Giessele trigger (the RRA 2-stage trigger is pleasant to shoot, but has a reputation for not being super durable).
yzguy87
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My experience with DPMS:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=8942318&postcount=27
I also owned a RRA preditor in 308. It had a very nice trigger. Very accurate! RRA has 1 moa guarantee on this rifle and it exceeded it and I don't consider myself a great shot.
IMO my RRA was a nicer gun than any of my DPMS 308's. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another DPMS but if I had a choice I'd choose the RRA. Both are reputable brands that will serve the average American gun owner well you just have to decide which is right for you
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=8942318&postcount=27
I also owned a RRA preditor in 308. It had a very nice trigger. Very accurate! RRA has 1 moa guarantee on this rifle and it exceeded it and I don't consider myself a great shot.
IMO my RRA was a nicer gun than any of my DPMS 308's. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another DPMS but if I had a choice I'd choose the RRA. Both are reputable brands that will serve the average American gun owner well you just have to decide which is right for you
Shamus MacD
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i have a RRA pistol with a 7.5 inch barrel. thing runs like a top even with the super short barrel. extremely good value for the money. they build really solid guns
I think you can do better than RRA.
Funny somebody compared them to DPMS...those are the two brands of AR that I have personally witnessed fail to fire 5.56 ammunition due to light primer strikes. A guy I know had a DPMS that he reported multiple failure to fires with while using Fedeal XM855. One time he tried the round twice in his rifle before deciding it was a "dud". I put that round into my rifle and it fired perfectly.
My dad has an RRA. Same deal, he had a round of Prvi Partizan M193 fail to fire on multiple tries through the rifle. Put it into my rifle...functioned perfectly.
I choose to avoid RRA.
For the record...the DPMS owner loves that rifle and calls it his baby, and says it's great. He blames the Federal XM855 as having bad primers. People are often happy with firearms even when they don't work properly, they will simply make up an excuse and blame something else for the shortfalls. This is my experience. Your mileage may vary, and I'm sure there are RRA's out there that are good to go.
Funny somebody compared them to DPMS...those are the two brands of AR that I have personally witnessed fail to fire 5.56 ammunition due to light primer strikes. A guy I know had a DPMS that he reported multiple failure to fires with while using Fedeal XM855. One time he tried the round twice in his rifle before deciding it was a "dud". I put that round into my rifle and it fired perfectly.
My dad has an RRA. Same deal, he had a round of Prvi Partizan M193 fail to fire on multiple tries through the rifle. Put it into my rifle...functioned perfectly.
I choose to avoid RRA.
For the record...the DPMS owner loves that rifle and calls it his baby, and says it's great. He blames the Federal XM855 as having bad primers. People are often happy with firearms even when they don't work properly, they will simply make up an excuse and blame something else for the shortfalls. This is my experience. Your mileage may vary, and I'm sure there are RRA's out there that are good to go.
I can't believe 'the chart' is still around and being referenced. I haven't been active here on THR for quite awhile and its the same AR debates. Too funny.
My take: people will always promote what they have/want to justify it and bash everything else. (ie iPhone vs Android).
I have a RRA mid-length I bought back in 2004 which has been flawless. Fit and finish are superb. I can't speak to what they put out lately, but I am quite happy with mine.
Buy whatever you want and don't worry about a bunch of arm chair commando opinions on the internet.
My take: people will always promote what they have/want to justify it and bash everything else. (ie iPhone vs Android).
I have a RRA mid-length I bought back in 2004 which has been flawless. Fit and finish are superb. I can't speak to what they put out lately, but I am quite happy with mine.
Buy whatever you want and don't worry about a bunch of arm chair commando opinions on the internet.
Sure is, name calling and all.
You have to do something to discredit other people's experiences when they aren't something you want to hear, I suppose.
You opened a can of worms when you ask for opinionated requests. Most people speak out of hearsay instead of actual hands on experience. Now based on my own RRA predator pursuit, my RRA shoots better than the guaranteed 3/4 MOA. I have shot milsurp,factory,reloads, and tula, and wolf without a single jam. My guess its the exception.
Are there better systems out there? Maybe, but I am not willing to spend $1000 or more so that I can drop names and say I have this and that. And than there is always the one that state they would not have brand X in combat. Get a life, were shooting paper targets or coyotes or cactus,or rocks,or metal silhouettes. What is your scenario and what is your skill.
I have taken bushmasters out to 500 yds easily,as well as colts, and stag arms, but in all honesty never a dpms haven't found one person in my shooting club that has one, does not mean they don't.
Are there better systems out there? Maybe, but I am not willing to spend $1000 or more so that I can drop names and say I have this and that. And than there is always the one that state they would not have brand X in combat. Get a life, were shooting paper targets or coyotes or cactus,or rocks,or metal silhouettes. What is your scenario and what is your skill.
I have taken bushmasters out to 500 yds easily,as well as colts, and stag arms, but in all honesty never a dpms haven't found one person in my shooting club that has one, does not mean they don't.
Some people task their rifles with self defense as well.
And people still make the same meaningless arguments like this. Has been flawless doesn't tell anyone anything. How many rounds, under what type of use, maintenance, and conditions.
All to often when pressed on those points. It turns out these 100% reliable "just as good guns" have lived pretty sheltered lives. Which if that is the intended use they might be fine for that. However, it is simply not the same as a gun that goes 2-3K rounds between cleanings, shoots a few hundred rounds a range session, is used with a suppressor, gets hot, etc.
In fact a report of no failures really makes me doubt how much its been shot. Even when the gun is good if you shoot much you eventually have a bad mag or a bad round cause a hiccup.
You might want to listen to profesionals who get to see lots and lots of rifles fired in a year. The problem with most peoples opinion is that they have so very little to base it on. I might have a Noveske that runs great through 10 carbine courses, 3 gun eery weekend and 20K rounds or I get one that is a jamo-matic (to be fair I have NEVER even heard of that but I'm using the idea agruendo) now I might have an olympic that is one or the other as well. I cannot say much about either brand based on that experience. My sample size is to small. Any of these could mere anomalies.
Jon B, how many rounds a year do you fire? How many rounds have you put through your RRA? under what conditions etc. More importantly, how many other RRA guns have you seen used, under what conditions and round counts? Even more important, how many guns of other makes have you seen used under substantially similar conditions.
The fact is many people who teach carbine course or shoot competitions regularly not only have a lot of experience with their personal guns, they also get to see a lot of other guns used in similar situations. A trainer might teach 11 or so classes a year where carbines are used and have 20+ students a class. Classes are often 500-1500 round classes Add the other training and shooting someone like that does and the person sees a lot more guns used than the average person who owns brand A or brand B. Personally when people like this who shoot about 100K rounds a year themselves and see many many more go down range, from hundreds of different guns say that they see clear trends in what guns perform and what guns fail, I take that as a bit more instructive experience than one persons (often limited) use with one or two or three guns. When they all tend to say they observe the same general trends it means even more.
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