Rockland County Judge Victor Alfieri violates citizens rights!

[obxned]

I sure hope this judge does not have a lifetime appointment, as that would make removing him from the bench a bit messy.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Tell that to the Brits, Scots, Aussies, Canucks, WW2 Germans, Russians and ad infinatum.

Ah, this is the error of substitution by analogy. The New York case of the judge denying a guy the purchase of one gun isn't the same thing as happened in the other places and other times. It is a similar process, but different situation. Folks are claiming the slippery slope fear and there may be some validity to it, but singular cases are not proof of anything. Besides, the problem isn't with the judge, but the laws in general that give the judge the power to do this. Funny thing, for all the whining gun folks do about this, when was the last time you saw a firearm-related civil rights march in New York? We spend a lot of time yelling that the sky is falling, maybe mail a few postcards or emails to some folks who might be able to do something about the situation, but that is about it. Heaven forbid we go out in public, hold a giant rally where we are seen, because then the bad guys and government will know we have guns and then come and get them from us. For being gun owners and having a lot of power and numbers, we are an awfully passive-aggressive group.

 

[Baba Louie]

Re: State Constitutional RKBA

New York: No provision.

When the States Constitution has no provision concerning the RKBA's, coupled with NYC's Sullivan Law, I'd say that the permit holder is lucky to already own 150 or so handguns, and in fact I'd wonder if someone from the NYPD would not soon pay him a visit to make certain that he still in fact owns all of his permitted weapons and keeps them in a secure manner... should he continue to "push" this benchwarmer.

Now, should the gun owner happen to be a wealthy man who readily contributes to the "proper" political party campaign coffers, I'm sure his problems would simply disappear and his "collection" be allowed to grow.

If said "collector" maintains a valid C&R license from the BATF(e), wherein his collection is "in the book" and thus monitored by a Federal Agency (more of the King's men), perhaps "His Honor" might look upon him with a different view, as his second letter alludes. Perhaps.

The problem lies with the elected politicians who have placed "Laws" into effect, or in the case of New York State's Constitution, law that has NOT been registered as a "Citizen's right" and is thus open to interpretation by our "Rulers".

Or am I wrong?

 

[PATH]

This is a case outside of NYC which has its own gun laws. The man already has a permit and has been collecting handguns for over 30 years. The judge has arbitrarily set a limit on firearms. There is no such provision in state law!

 

[pacodelahoya]

DNS, you said,

Licensing itself does not lead to denial, by "may issue" licensing can. Actually, any laws on ownership can lead to some form of denial, not just licensing.

and I said,

Tell that to the Brits, Scots, Aussies, Canucks, WW2 Germans, Russians and ad infinatum

Then you said,

The New York case of the judge denying a guy the purchase of one gun isn't the same thing as happened in the other places and other times. It is a similar process, but different situation. Folks are claiming the slippery slope fear and there may be some validity to it, but singular cases are not proof of anything.

I say that licensing(registration always leads to confiscation and you say there is some validity to that but not in this particular case? Why would you make that assumption?


Then you go on to say,

Heaven forbid we go out in public, hold a giant rally where we are seen, because then the bad guys and government will know we have guns n

What a streatch of imagination you have, to make that the reason gun owner don't march. How about the fact that we don't have time because we have to work to support the leftists that have all the time in the world to march?

Or maybe it's because we don't want to scare the ninnies, holy crap dude, the gov apologists and whiners on this forum get thier collective panties all wadded up if you say molon labe or wear camo to the range, how do you think they would react if "we" marched on dc or new york (don't deserve capitilization) with signs and slogans, stating that we are pissed off and not going to take it any more???

 

[jselvy]

If gun owners marches en masse on any city wouldn't that be interpreted as a potentially violent uprising?
The would precipitate a massacre that would make Kent State look like a bun fight.
That is why gun owners don't march.

Jefferson

 

[Elza]

Titan6: After the $54,000,000 pants I am sure judges feel like they can pretty much do anything they want.

Now don’t exaggerate. He “only wanted $2,000,000 for the pants”. </sarcasm>

During the trial, Pearson testified that he wanted only $2 million in damages for himself — for his mental anguish and inconvenience — plus $500,000 in attorney’s fees for representing himself. Any additional money that the judge might award would go into a fund “to educate people of their rights under the consumer protection act,” he said.
http://practicalreasoning.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/court-no-those-pants-arent-worth-54000000/

Yeah, right!

 

[Elza]

pacodelahoya: Does anyone think that maybe, just maybe, the government really does not have our best interests at heart??

Our government? Our elected officials whose selfless service is dedicated to those who elect them?
(I have to stop now. I'm starting to get sick. )

 

[Prof. A. Wickwire]

Baba Louie,

You are correct that there is no RKBA in the New York State Constitution. However, New York State Civil Rights Law has the following clause:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed."
New York State Civil Rights Law Article 2, Section 4

An interesting note. How would you argue the collective interpretation of this statement as listed in a CIVIL RIGHTS document?

Interesting, isn't it?

Sincerely,

Prof. A. Wickwire