Rohrbaugh News 3/11/03

[Zundfolge]

Okay, one goofy little question ... how do you pronounce Rohrbaugh?

 

[incursion]

I'm not sure, but I pronounce it roar ball. I say it with silent Ls. Like Rush Limbaugh.

 

[Blackhawk]

roar bah

 

[NJ3]

Okay, one goofy little question ... how do you pronounce Rohrbaugh?

I'm glad someone asked.

 

[Schuey2002]

One thing is a certainty, and that is this. That Blackhawk will know how to pronounce Rohrbaugh!!

Blackhawk, have you started recieving any royalties yet?

 

[Blackhawk]

I wish! I'll bet Rohrbaugh Firearms is going to be a great company!

 

[WonderNine]

My only complaint is that they could put small combat nightsights on the thing....

Scratch that. I'm not entirely crazy about the bottom mag release either.

But for only $1,800 you can't have it all right

 

[buttrap]

I think I will just wear a coat and keep my High Power....

 

[WonderNine]

I think I will just wear a coat and keep my High Power....

I'll just choose to save my pennies and pay for a CCW piece that will allow me to get laid in July thank you

I payed $700 for my NIB Cop Industries .357 derringer and it was worth every penny

 

[Tamara]

Horrible trigger pull?

Look, I'm pretty fussy about DA triggers (I send my Performance Center revolvers in for trigger jobs ) and I was quite impressed by the Rorhbaugh's DA pull. (At least on the sample guns at SHOT which had, no doubt, been dy-fired umpty zillion times by drooling onlookers like me. )

 

[Tamara]

I payed $700 for my NIB Cop Industries .357 derringer and it was worth every penny

Dude, that's a lot of money to shell out for a paperweight!

 

[harrydog]

I wish this gun were made with titanium or even scandium rather than 7075 aluminum. I'd be willing to pay even more if it were.

 

[Blackhawk]

And you would pay more, harrydog.

What do you think the advantages of Ti or Sc over Al would be anyway?

 

[Greybeard]

' Guess I'll just have to live with new "cheap" PM9 for a long while ...

Side-by-side photo makes PM9 look like a monster! Loaded with 6+1 115 grainers, I put it on a digital postal scale this week and it indicated 19.4 ounces. Got a loaded weight on the supermini-9?

And any feedback on what they are actually like to shoot? The reason I ask is having owned a HEAVY little AMT .380 that looks to be about the same size skinny grip. One of the reasons that I got rid of it was that it was rather PAINFUL to shoot - and it was "only" a .380!

 

[Blackhawk]

The R9 and its magazine weigh 13.9 ounces. Add the weight of 7 rounds to that to get what it weighs fully loaded with 6+1.

The recoil and impulse is supposed to be similar to that of a PPK .380, for what that's worth.

 

[Greybeard]

Sounds like right at 2 ounces lighter than PM9.

FWIW, I crunched the numbers and 7 rounds of 9mm 115s must weigh about 3.5 ounces.

Do ya know if they licensed the dual-recoil spring thing from Seecamp?

 

[Blackhawk]

Just weighed 7 rounds of 115gr 9mm at 2.9 ounces, so that would be 16.8 ounces fully loaded.

My parts blowup doesn't show the recoil spring.

Why would you think a double recoil spring arrangement would have to be licensed from Larry Seecamp, if that's what it has? I doubt seriously that he could have patented anything like that since double compression springs are about as old as rocks.

 

[Sox]

Look a $900.00 AMT! No Thanks!

 

[Jeff OTMG]

Seecamp was the patent holder for the double spring. Gaston Glock bought Seecamp all their new CNC machinery a few years ago because the Glock 26 and 27 were usings patent protected parts. Unfortunately for Glock they were not the ones holding the patent. Much like the Colt Pocket Nine, Tac Nine, and Pony using a Kahr patented design without permission.

 

[Blackhawk]

Thanks, Jeff. Interesting trivia, but it sure seems like the USPTO examiner would have rejected the claim as "obvious" based on long existing art.

 

[Greybeard]

' Seems like I read somewhere that Seecamp had some of that type technology that others had licensed. IIRC, it was licensed to someone pretty big (Kahr?), who could likely have strung him out real good in court. Again, just going from (old) recent memory, but something somewhere here fairly recently led me to believe that Larry must have had a pretty stong patent for whoever it was/is to have licensed rather than duke it out.

I'll do a quickie search here in a bit and see if I can locate at least a patent number. Pretty amazing what can be patented sometimes, despite prior art ...

Or, in the meantime, possibly others here far more knowledgeable than I of Seecamp's widget's claim to fame ...

 

[Greybeard]

Blackhawk -

Well, I see a pretty good answer got posted while I was peckin' around above ... From the isue date indicated on Seecamp patent, it looks like it must have expired a few years ago ...

United States Patent 4,201,113
Seecamp May 6, 1980

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Telescoping return-spring assembly for automatic handguns


Abstract
A return-spring assembly for slide-type automatic pistols in which an inner spring and an outer spring are coupled together so that they work in tandem.


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Inventors: Seecamp; Lueder (62 Shelter Cove Rd., Milford, CT 06460)
Appl. No.: 937765
Filed: August 29, 1978

Current U.S. Class: 89/199; 89/163
Intern'l Class: F41D 011/12
Field of Search: 89/163,178,196,199



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References Cited [Referenced By]

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U.S. Patent Documents
580924 Apr., 1897 Browning 89/163.
3435728 Apr., 1969 Pachmayr et al. 89/199.
3731590 May., 1973 Zimmerman 89/163.
4040332 Aug., 1977 Border et al. 89/37.

"Older than rocks" ? In playing around in USPTO site for the last few minutes, the closest I came to that was related to a patent by some dude (above) a little over a hunnered years ago by the name of Browning ...

 

[Gewehr98]

Not sure I understand FUD's dilemma...

Also, what is the trigger pull like? (With no safety, somebody please tell me that it's a bit heavier than the Kahr's)

Since the Kahr has no safety either, and is a smooth-but-heavy DAO-style trigger, what's the matter with it? (Since I'm just about to purchase my second K9...)

 

[Blackhawk]

"Older than rocks" ? In playing around in USPTO site for the last few minutes, the closest I came to that was related to a patent by some dude (above) a little over a hunnered years ago by the name of Browning ...

Then it's REALLY surprising that Seecamp got the claim allowed. The Browning reference is even in the same category, firearms!

Aren't 1911's older than rocks...?

 

[Greybeard]

Repeat quote "Pretty amazing what can be patented sometimes, despite prior art ... ".

Lawyers. Money. More lawyers. More money.