Romak-3 psl

[kestak]

Greetings,

Let me say before that I can "cloverleaf" at 100 yards with all my other rifles. I have the proper technic, I use sandbag rests front and back.

I have a problem and I want to know if I am alone with that problem. Please, I don't want answers like: No "commie" can be precise like an AR..bla bla bla. I want to read from someone who owns a ROMAK-3 or someone who has an idea how to solve the issue.

I used the 8x Russian scope, I put on a Buckmaster scope just in case it was the scope, I used Czech, Yugo, Russian, Bulgarian, Silver Bear, Reloads.

I have a PSL (ROMAK-3) and I can't shoot a 5 shots within 4 inch at 100 yards. With every ammo I get a different POI. With some I can get 2-3 shots within 1" then 2 flyers. With some other, they are all over the place. Even my handloads don't group.

Anyone had this issue with his ROMAK-3 and solve it?

Thank you

 

[DMK]

If it was me, I'd try removing the handguard. Check headspace and check the crown on the muzzle. Try loading the rounds and firing one at a time.

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

Handguard! I did not think about that. A trip to the range is mandatory tonight....arg.... The wife said if I don't cut the grass, she'll remove the blade from the lawnmower and cut my arm with it....

Trip to the range tomorrow night!!

Thank you

 

[rattletrap1970]

Well, you could have many problems. The fact that you do get a decent group for the first 2 or 3 shots can be that the barrel is heating up and is "walking". I have a Japanese Arisaka Type 38 that is glass bedded and tricked out. It will cloverleaf the first 3 rounds and 100 yards, then walk slightly left about 3/4" of center then walk back across to the right about 1" of center. Remember those "Dragunov" type rifles were no meant to be tack driving "one hole" sniper rifles. The were designed to be used for forward support engaging "man sized" enemy targets at distances beyond normal infantry.

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

The holes grouping are not in order. it can be the first 3rd and 4th or the 2nd, 4th and fifth.... I thought it was the barell eating, but it was not that.

Thank you

 

[DMK]

The PSL does have a relatively thin barrel. It measures the same diameter as the Romanian AKM.

The thing is, what is interfering with the barrel as it heats up? Perhaps the handguard is rubbing.

Also check the gas tube to see if it's very tight. I know Ultimak recomends a few mm of clearance at either end of their gas tube rail to keep the barrel from binding up on it as it heats up. This isn't possible with the standard gas tube since it's held captive by fitting over the gas block and a lock in the rear. However, you don't want it very tight either. Just barely secured would be fine.

 

[MachIVshooter]

The PSL is not a precision unit, and I'd say 2 MOA at 100 yards is acceptable with good ammo. 4+, OTOH, seems like you have a problem. Check the aforementioned things.

Remember, it is a DMR rifle, and is based on the AK action, with slightly better tolerances. But it's action, coupled with the long, slender barrel that flexes and whips something awful, is never gonna compete accuracy-wise with guns that are simply superior in design.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

my brother had one and reloaded for his also. He reported the exact same thing. First 3 or so shots, right on, the barrel heated up and he started stringing shots....

Try letting the barrel cool and see if the POA returns.

He did get better than 4" with his.....2+/-" seems right for what can be expected after the first 3-4 rounds. (Meaning it should still shoot 2 +/- MOA with a warm barrel).

I still want one.....

 

[WardenWolf]

PSL's typically average around 1 MOA, with a typical range of accuracy of 0.5 to 1.5 MOA with good ammo (don't scoff. I know someone who got 0.5).

Your ammo choices worry me. The PSL is only designed for light ball (155 grain or less) ammunition. Silver Bear is not available in light ball specs. However, Wolf makes a 148-grain round that is perfect for the PSL, and people have reported great accuracy with it. PRVI Partizan also has a fine 150-grain load.

 

[EdLaver]

Yeah once that thin barrel heats up, you will get wider groups. As others have said this gun is designed to be minute of man at no more than 400 yards. The most I have shot mine at is 300 yards and I was able to hit the man sized target I was aiming at. I'm happy with it

 

[husbandofaromanian]

I had a Romak3 several years ago. It's grouping was AWFUL. I made my favorite gunsmith wealthier getting it more accurate. After glass bedding and working on the action (I don't know what he did to the action but it was the final problem), my Romak3 would group 1.5 with handloads until the barrel got hot. When the barrel got hot, poi would move 2 full mintues to the right. After that, it would group well under a minute. It was educational, but I put way too much money in that rifle and finally sold it.

 

[cthulhufan]

Working on mine as well, currently getting 3 MoA consistently at 100 meters with surplus Russian and Wolf Gold 150 gr. Getting dies and brass for hand loads to try as well. I'm generally giving at least five seconds between rounds.

I've heard more than once that the handguard can be an issue but I know you probably can't check the crown with that brake welded on so if that's an issue, you're kinda SoL.

A group of us PSL shooters hang out at the AK Files on the SVDs and Romak IIIs forums. Ask over there as well, generally a good bunch of folks.

Good luck and let us know how your PSL ends up.

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

Call me crazy! After mowing the lawn, I took the ROMAK-3 and did some dry firing on it.

I pointed the gun accross my lake (300 yards) to a shed and Inoticed each time I press the trigger and the hammer hits the back of the piston carrier, a tremors goes on and I lost the image for a fraction of second because of the shaking. I know it is normal... I did the same thing with my AR and the tremor is waaaaaaaaaay less. Is it possible this tremor shifts the POA before the bullet leaves the barrel? Again, you can call me crazy. I don't think so, but I would be interested to hear from people more knowledgeable than me.

Thank you

 

[DMK]

The weight of the hammer shouldn't be moving the rifle at all. It sounds like either you have a horrible flinch, or you do not have the rifle stable in a natural point of aim (where the rifle wants to rest centered on target without any assistance from the shooter), or both.

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

Maybe I explained myself badly. I don't see the rifle moving but I see in the scope the reticle move on the target because of the tremor a lot compared to the AR.

I don't have a flinch with the rifles at all (I do with the pistols and I am working on it since months playing Russian roulette with my revolver. It is my wife's 44 magnum that gaves me this..:banghead:

Thank you

 

[cthulhufan]

Negative, on my rifle, I just ran some dry fires from my rest and didn't notice this at all. Which scope do you have on it? I have the Romanian PSO-1 4 power fixed.

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

I have a Nikon buckmaster. I checked for any loose part and it is all sturdy. I replaced it wil the scope on my ak. I know the mount is not the same, but with no recoil (just dry firing) it wont move. Same thing. When I press the trigger and the hammer hit the back of the bolt, the tremor is seen in the scope.

Thank you

 

[cthulhufan]

Let me make sure I got that right.

PSL (SVD/SKS rail) with AK rail mount scope + dry fire = No reticule movement/tremmor.
PSL with Nikon + dry fire = significant movement/tremmor.

Did I get you right?

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

Nope. You got it wrong:

PSL (SVD/SKS rail) with AK rail mount scope + dry fire = significant movement/tremmor.
PSL with Nikon + dry fire = significant movement/tremmor.

The tremmor is really like when you have a camera on a pod, zoomed in on an image and everything shake. With the scope, it is easy, I see clearly the cross moving because the hammer on the back of the bolt creates a tremmor. I see the same thing but WAY LESS with my all ARs with each scope (Fullfield, ACOG, barksa, sig 556 with EOtech with magnifier , with no magnifier, I don't see the tremmor).

With my AK-47, I see the same thing too. A little less than the ROMAK-3 but more than the ARs.

Thank you

 

[cthulhufan]

Hrmm, I've got nothing then. Sorry. If I had been right, I was going to suggest that you got a crappy SVD/SKS weaver conversion mount. Also, I'm 4x fixed so I might just not be able to discern it either. I could order one of those mounts in and put my Leupold 4-8x40mm or my buddies Nightforce on it and see but that will be a while since I'm in the doghouse for spending too much on guns this month anyway

I would suggest you post over at the AK Files SVD/Romak III boards: http://www.akfiles.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19
to see if anyone over there has any suggestions if you have no further luck here.

Sorry that I couldn't be more help.

 

[JTH]

Just my opinion

We all know what opinions are worth so don't take my negatively. The run of the mill AK was never meant to have a scope. With the violent ejection of shells(the various negative affects this has on a scope) and barrel heat issue if you can get a 3"-4" grouping at 100 yards with the first 3 shots, that's probably as close as you can get. These rifles were meant to lay down a protective spray. Why spend a fortune on optics. If you want accuracy that's what bolt action rifles are for. You do have Dragonuv AK
sniper rifles but a sniper is going for a one shot kill. Barrel heat really doesn't enter the equation in this case. I feel the same about SKSs. ARs should be much more accurate but you can buy 2-3 AKs for what you pay for an AR. If money wasn't an issue, I'd have one of everything!
JT

 

[cthulhufan]

The PSL isn't the run of the mill AK. I'll not dispute the fact that this is a DM rifle and not a super accurate long range platform but it has every reason to be scoped. The majority of these will group at least 3 MoA hot as long as you give five seconds or so between shots.

If you were referring to the fact that kestak has a scope for his AK, well then, I agree it is kind of pointless In My Opinion.

 

[DMK]

PSL (SVD/SKS rail) with AK rail mount scope + dry fire = significant movement/tremmor.
PSL with Nikon + dry fire = significant movement/tremmor.

Something is wrong here. The rifle should not move at all when you dry fire. The hammer itself does not have enough mass to move an 8lb rifle. Through the original 4x scope you should not see any movement.


Perhaps you are pulling on the trigger instead of squeezing, and moving the rifle? One of the tests for this is to have someone balance a coin on your barrel and then you dry fire. The coin should not fall.

 

[fireman 9731]

I still want one...

 

[Flea]

I see your problem.

The AK rail mount is not designed to go on the SVD rail. The SVD and AK have different rails, and the two mounts are NOT interchangeable. That's why you're getting movement on your PSL, but not the AK.

The movement might not be much, but it's enough that it's affecting POA, obviously.

Get a dedicated weaver mount with an SVD-type mount like this one and all your problems should go away:
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/mounts...ofile-centered-side-mount-to-weaver-rail.html