ROMAN Army Knife???

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The Roman Army Knife: Or how the ingenuity of the Swiss was beaten by 1,800 years
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 9:07 AM on 30th January 2010

The world's first Swiss Army knife' has been revealed - made 1,800 years before its modern counterpart.

An intricately designed Roman implement, which dates back to 200AD, it is made from silver but has an iron blade.

It features a spoon, fork as well as a retractable spike, spatula and small tooth-pick.

Experts believe the spike may have been used by the Romans to extract meat from snails.

Inspired: The Roman army pen knife, a precursor to today's popular Swiss Army accessory

It is thought the spatula would have offered a means of poking cooking sauce out of narrow-necked bottles.

The 3in x 6in (8cm x 15cm) knife was excavated from the Mediterranean area more than 20 years ago and was obtained by the museum in 1991.

The unique item is among dozens of artefacts exhibited in a newly refurbished Greek and Roman antiquities gallery at the Fitzwilliam Museum, in Cambridge.

Experts believe it may have been carried by a wealthy traveller, who will have had the item custom made.

A spokesman said: 'This was probably made between AD 200 and AD 300, when the Roman empire was a great imperial power.

The knife is on display at the Greek and Roman antiquities gallery at Cambridge's Fitzwilliam Museum

'The expansion of Rome - which, before 500 BC, had just been a small central Italian state - made some individuals, perhaps like our knife-owner, personally very wealthy.

'This could have been directly from the fruits of conquests, or indirectly, from the 'business opportunities' the empire offered.

'We know almost nothing about the person who owned this ingenious knife, but perhaps he was one of those who profited from the vast expansion of Rome - he would have been wealthy to have such a real luxury item.

'Perhaps he was a traveller, who required a practical compound utensil like this on his journeys.'

The spokesman added: 'While many less elaborate folding knives survive in bronze, this one's complexity and the fact that it is made of silver suggest it is a luxury item.

'Perhaps a useful gadget for a wealthy traveller.'

Modern Swiss Army knives originated in Ibach Schwyz, Switzerland, in 1897 and were created by Karl Elsener.

The knives which provide soldiers with a 'battlefield toolkit' have since become standard issue for many modern day fighting forces thanks to their toughness and quality.

Nationalist Elsener decided to design the knives after he realised the Swiss army were being issued with blades manufactured in neighbouring Germany.

Other popular artefacts include an intricately designed Greek make-up box which was custom made almost 3000 years ago for a women of 'wealth and status'.

The round clay make-up container from Athens dates back to 740BC and experts believe it may have been stored in a grave in the Ancient Greek city for the last 2,700 years.

The six inch high and 12 inch diameter box would have contained precious gems and make up from the era made from a variety of naturally occurring substances.

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I think this makes the fourth one of these found. This one's in remarkable condition.

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Once the Romans held the silver mines in Spain it became much more common for silver and silver plate to be held by folks expanding with the Empire. Folding eating implements like this were supposedly readily available until the time the Romans left Britain.
 
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Technology has advanced but it's humbling how few new ideas there are.
 
... very interesting.

It´s amazing what the dark-ages between 800 and 1100 AD
did to knowledge. Many things had to be reinvented due to
so many scriptures from antique times being burnt by war
and on purpose by the clergy.

The most amazing thing i recently saw on tv was
about an antique battery, that was possibly used in
electroplating gold and silver onto items.

battery1a.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

( here another link to the first "Computer"
http://hubpages.com/hub/Antikythera-Mechanism-An-Ancient-Computer )

Once you have visited a reconstructed roman fort-city
it doesnt seem unlikely they had far more practical items
than a luxury travel knife ...

It´s only a matter of time till the FIRST Mosin is dug up.
Buy now! They´re gonna go up in price! :D
 
That is just like those folding utensil sets you get at the camping store.

Yup. Those crafty Romans invented Bass Pro Shops as well.:D:D


This is absolutely incredible. The more I learn about what they had invented back then, the more I see just how advanced this 'ancient' culture was. Everything from modern-style multi-tools, to plumbing (including valves and pressurized pipes), extensive surgical and medical operations, now this battery thing that I'd not heard of.....

For people from other parts of the world, their perception of "Atlantis" would really be quite reasonable.

By the way, when I first saw the title of the thread, I figured it was just going to be something about the Gladius. Wow was I surprised!
 
Really, up until the Enlightenment, Ancient Rome was considered a golden age that had not been technologically equaled. Heck, cement wasn't even rediscovered until the 1800's. There is a reason our Founding Fathers looked to Ancient Greece and Rome as inspiration for the new nation. They saw the ancients as a civilization yet to be equaled.

As a side note, this just goes to show how slavery retards technological developement. Rome had all the knowledge to truly make the industrial leap, but no need due to slaves. Why do you need a steam engine when you've got perfectly good Gauls to haul your stuff?

Also, Atlantis was a Greek concept that pre-dated the Romans and was not meant to be taken as a literal place.

Sorry, I'm a professional historian, sometimes I just can't help myself. :p
 
I would argue the Romans were not technologically superseded until well past the Age of Industrialization. Socially we are still 'Chasing Rome'. If you look at the history of Western Civilization we have been chasing the light of Rome until very recent times. From the Carolingian Empire to the British Empire (which perhaps has the most legitimate claim outside of the Byzantine Descendants destroyed by islam) to the Nazi control of Germany; different principalities of the West have been attempting to reassert themselves as Rome's lawful (and intellectual) heir. I just had no idea they had forks in Europe before the Middle Ages. :evil: Next someone is going to tell me that stirrups were in common use in Europe well before the Battle of Tours... Sorry, I'm just an amateur historian. :D
 
@ Unistat

.... well, having studied history mself ... and antique times
being my focus of interest ...

i must add, that it is not "clear" that Atlantis was only a concept

It could have been a cretic (minoic) city that was wiped out in
Volcano eruption and tsunami.
Due to all other powers of that time not really
having something you could call a navy
the Minoans were basically the only one who had a map
of the mediterranean and could trade by waterway.

By cultural standards i believe the romans didnt even reach
the height of the Minoans ... they were true conquerors,
but the story of Atlantis could be proof of just how
impressive minoan culture was to the babarians ( all others )
of their time.

http://www.atlantia.de/atlantis_english/myth/atlantis/atlantis_thera_crete.htm
 
Also, Atlantis was a Greek concept that pre-dated the Romans and was not meant to be taken as a literal place.

No no. I realized that. It's a Greek idea mentioned by Plato. Some say real, most say no. (But then again, some people think Tupac is alive. So there's no accounting for what some people believe.)

I just meant that the idea of a super-advanced society from way way back when isn't all that shocking when we see evidence of REAL societies that actually were very advanced. I didn't mean to imply that Atlanis was a literal place, nor that it was a Roman concept. I realize now that I'm re-reading my post, that it is unclear. Sorry for confusion.
 
The Minoans and probably some other civilizations around the Med were dominant before the rise of Classical Greece, and may have served as a rough model for the myth. I think Plato just used this myth as a backdrop for his own philosophical views.

Anyway, we all know the Island on Lost is Atlantis.
 
Not to be too much of a spoil sport, but please take the OT discussion to PMs and leave the knife stuff for the forum.
 
I'm pretty sure that the SAK concept predated the SAK in recent years, too. I've read books written in the late 1800s talking about (IIRC) a 'clasp knife' that sounded just like a SAK - small size, multiple tools. Sounded like it was a fairly common piece of kit for sailors.
 
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