Rounds per hour with progressive?

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I got my Hornady L-n-N progressive mounted and adjusted recently, and I also loaded my first batch of 100 rounds with it. It took me 50 minutes to load 'em.

With progressive, it seems to me I can load as fast as I can fetch a new bullet and shell and turn the lever up/down.

I did it in fairly leisurely pace, but got only about 100 rounds per hour. I expected it a bit more.

How much do you load in an hour?

Any tips on how to speed up the shell + bullet insertion?

ps. I'm happy with my purchase. It's a very nice press.
 
I also loaded my first batch of 100 rounds with it. It took me 50 minutes to load 'em.
That's less than two a minute. It should eventually speed up.

That said, it's not a race. When I was first setting up my Dillon, I probably got less than that. I loaded one complete round at a time until I knew everything was right.

I'd rather take my time and learn. Pulling bullets takes a lot longer than loading them.

Once you get into a rhythm, it will move faster. Just loading one every 12 seconds gives 300 per hour. Helps a lot if you have primer feeds ready to go. Now I probably get 300-400 per hour depending on how it's going.
 
When I first started using my Dillon, I was gettting about 100 rounds and hour. Now about 200 rounds an hour. I see no need to go faster than that, as this allows time for a peak into each case (.45 ACP) to see power under the bullet and none under the powder loader. I also make sure I see a primer coming out from under the feeder, as this is the most consistent problem I have seen.
 
Grey,

I have a L-N-L and I get about 400 rounds per hour of handgun ammo out of it without rushing. Here are a few things you can do to speed things up.

1. Invest in a case feeder. It cuts in half the manual operations that you have to perform before pulling the handle.
2. Get some extra primer tubes and fill them ahead of time.
3. Sort your cases. You'll minimize stoppages if you remove the ones that will cause you problems (tight primer pockets, deformed cases, .45 cases with a .32 ACP case wedged into it, etc).
4. Use a Hornady bullet seating die. They're the best I've tried. They have a long sliding sleeve that guides the bullet in. As long as the bullet is somewhat upright on top of the case, this die will seat it.
5. File a slightly bigger radius on the back edge of each cutout in the shellplate. This will eliminate any ejection problems.

These are the ones from the top of my head, there may also be other little "common sense" things you could do to speed things up. For example, I put the box of bullets on a stool in front of the press. I find it quicker to pick up a bullet from there as I pull the handle without having to reach to my bench. I also keep my work area free from clutter and have all of my tools (wrenches, dial calipers, etc.) on a board on the wall behind my bench. I also have a digital scale that weighs very quickly. After setup, I usually weigh a charge each time I refill the primer feed tube. I empty the finished cartridges at the same time.

EDIT: I have one of those bench mounted articulated fluorescent lights with a big magnifier in the middle. I keep this aimed at the seating station so I can inspect the powder charge easily as I place the bullet.
 
I've had my 550B for a couple months now and over the weekend I loaded ~250 .45ACP in about an hour. I want to make sure it's right so I go a steady pace that I can keep track of everything and weigh about ~15-20 rounds just to check the charge. Most time consuming thing is loading the primer tubes, but I can't see dropping $250 on a primer tube loader. I generally load the primer tubes first and have them queued up and ready. Most important thing is to get the loads right, i.e. primer set, proper charge dispensed, bullet seated and crimped to the proper specs. Good luck.
 
I've had my LnL since March of 04. Just passed the 32,000 mark. Mostly pistol, but really got into rifle this last year.

Frankford Arsenal Vibra-Prime loader really helps http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=656090. Get some extra tubes.

Sometimes folks only time the actual press running to count rounds. With everything set, and a case feeder, a leisurely pace gets me 200-250 rounds in an hour. I've gone faster. My experience is that going faster makes it seem like work, and increases tha chance of an error. Errors add additional time, and risk.

I enjoy loading pistol without the case feeder at the slower pace, around 150-200 rounds per hour. Get one of those fingerless padded gloves for weight lifters to keep you palm comfortable.

Keep records on a spread sheet program so you know what you've done and how they work.
 
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If I have all of my primer tubes filled (9 of them), powder hopper full, case feeder loaded with 300 rounds or so (40 S&W), and extra powder, bullets, and brass available, I can crank out about 700-900 rounds per hour. This is on a Dillon 650. Sometimes I have to stop for the case feeder feeding a case sideways, gumming things up at the top, occasionally the primer feeder doesn't feed right, and other little things like a 9mm case in a 40 case that messes up the case feed asembly, but generally I can really crank out the ammo. I was loading 38 super last week, I was lubing the cases and was able to load at the level stated above till I ran out of prepped cases(ie cleaned and sorted brass). Depending on powder charge, I can get anywhere from 400 rounds (38 super) to 600 rounds (40 S&W light target ammo) out of one powder hopper load. It doesn't take long to fill either. All of my ammo goes bang and it is a very rare occasion that I ever get a squib (been years since I had one).

Vince
 
I have a Dillon 650 w/case feeder and I load 100rds in 8-10 min without breaking a sweat. Only complaint on the 650 changing the primer arm fingers only no room for a wrench
 
I can actually sneak a correct sized open ended wrench up in there to tighten and loosen it up. Though it seems they could have come up with a better design.

Vince
 
I CAN do about 300 and hour with a Lee Pro-1000. (I know, I just used those words here... ;) ) It doesn't feel too rushed to me, but faster does. And when I'm loading .44 Magnums, it takes a fair amount of force to resize those cases anyway, so i don't push it. That's without a case feeder or bullet feeder. Prefer simple.

Someday I see a Dillon 650 as being useful though.

Just be patient and careful. Once you get comfortable with your machine, the rate should go up.
 
Let's see loading pistol (38 Super, 9mm, 40 & 45) on my RCBS Pro2000

Insert case in station 1
Push handle forward to seat primer in station 2
Visually check for powder in case at station 4
Insert bullet in mouth of case at station 4
Pull handle down = Decap & Size 1, expand 2, charge 3, seat 4, Crimp 5
Pull handle up
Rotate shell plate by hand to hear the wonderful sound of a finished round falling into the bin.

Every 25 rounds:
Add a new primer strip
Check charge in case at station 4
Check case OAL from round that dropped from station 5
Takes <60 seconds

Add bullets & brass to trays as needed

Total output 300 to 450 rounds per hour.
 
im with wanderinwalker

300 on a pro 1000 feels about my limit. i usually do closer to 275. i like sitting at the press, so i really don't mind.

100 an hour isn't bad at all. don't see these numbers and get frustrated. we all start that slow or slower.

i was way slower. till i was confident i was doing about a round a minute. i could have been outpaced by someone with a single stage. but i felt good about my ammo, and thats how you should feel.
 
Here's some things you can do to improve your speed on your LnL

Grey Awakened,

I have a LnL and am quite familiar with it. Here are some things that'll speed anybody's progressive reloading up. But before I list them, I want to advise you that your output is perfectly reasonable for a beginning progressive reloader and will pick up in time as you come to understand the process. In the meantime, think things through, take your time and learn your press.

Here's some stuff for you to think about to help you with your production:

If you're wanting to get production out of ANY reloading machine, regardless of auto advance or manual advance, turret or progressive, there are some things you have to do.

1. Be well organized and have components handy and ready to replace anything that's run out.

2. Build your bench "ergonomically." That means you want to have brass and bullets immediately at hand, not some distance away. The closer to the point of installation on the press, the better. Mine on my LnL are less than 6 inches from the shellplate.

3. Load your powder measure and primer tubes on the press as full as possible, so you don't have to stop to reload components any more than you have to. Load up your spares if you have them. Also, a Vibra Prime is the cat's meow, as mentioned above, to reload your primer tubes with. (You may have to clean it's plastic flashing up a bit to get premium performance out of it though, so be aware and do this if you buy a vibra prime.)

4. Don't try to do the maximum potential per hour at first. Instead, work on developing a rhythm as well as doing things right. Speed will come in it's own. If you focus on speed, you won't get anywhere and you'll make more mistakes.

5. Set the machine up properly (carefully adjust all the dies at each station to "work together" smoothly) and make sure everything that is lubed gets properly lubed, that things are adjusted right and clean up any thing such as casting flashing or whatever that might cause the press to operate "rouglhly." Smooth up any rough edges of any castings or machining with sandpaper or emory cloth. This can account for up to 5% efficiency loss due to distraction, vibration, etc.

What does this mean for the LnL progressive? Here's some thoughts for reloading pistol:

1. Use it with the primer tubes, CAPD and if you can afford it, the casefeeder. It was designed to use these for maximum efficiency. If you're not using at least the primer tubes and the powder measure and if you're reloading pistol, you're not going to get the maximum production.

2. Fill the safety prime with as many primers as it will hold and function. Find out the maximum you can fill it to without it jamming on your machine and fill it to that level. Make sure it's adjust properly and any "plastic flashing" is cleaned up so it'll operate smoothly.

3. Fill the LnL powder measure with the Maximum amount of powder it can hold. Make sure any plastic flashing is cleaned up and parts are lubricated as needed. Clean off any shipping protectant residue from the metal parts of the measure. Lubricate the measure to smooth it up.

4. Prepare for powder and primer refill. Use primer flip trays and the like to set up a second batch of primers. Have spare primer tubes or even better, a Vibra Prime with extra trays. Make sure powder is right at hand. Keep an eye on these, then pick a natural stopping place in your reloading cycle to "top off."

5. Set your bench up ergonomically. Get a couple of Akro bins (Or another brand of plastic bins) to hold your brass and bullets. Build mounts for them so they are as close to the shell holder as possible aka "right at hand," so that when you need a brass or bullet, you minimize time reaching for either one. Have a bin in the rear for brass and a bin in the front for brass, with a bin in the middle sticking to the side for completed cartridges. THIS IS ONE AREA MANY RELOADERS DO NOT DO, but is one area where a SIGNIFICANT amount of production can be gained WITHOUT HURRYING.

6. Develop a rhythm with the press. Each person has a different rhythm, so the way to do this is first to focus on each step and how to do it more efficiently, until you train your muscles to do each step in sequence and smoothly, without thought. This is another area where speed reloading can be gained, with no loss of safety. "Listen" to the press as you reload, getting used to the sounds it makes when it's adjusted properly. Then, when something goes "out of time," you will recognize it before it crashes a bunch of cartridges.

How do I know all this? For several years I worked as a Manufacturing Technican. It was my job to help people increase production on machinery while maintaining or increasing production. The above steps described first allowed me to increase a single line's output by 150% while eliminating 98% of their defective production. Amazing how output increased more than what defective production went down, isn't it? That's how it works with ergonomic production techniques.

Finally, it isn't a big deal to load faster without working faster. All you have to do is WORK SMARTER, not harder. If you think about how to increase your production as you go along operating your press, you will figure out ways to increase production for yourself. Do not try to hurry, because scrambling around like a cat trying to bury poo on a tin roof you'll not increase production. Instead, you'll spread the poo around, just like the cat did. So work smarter, not harder or faster.

Regards,

Dave
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Once I became familiar with my Dillon 550 I can turn out 250-300 rounds per hour including relaoding the primer tubes and inspecting every case, powder drop and finished cartridge.
 
I comfortably load 250 rounds per hour on my Dillon 550. I have extra primer tubes and load them up prior to starting my loading run. I could go faster but why...
 
You did not say whether you are doing rifle or handgun rounds. Could make a difference.

I have one of the original LNLs and even using an RCBS crimp die (requires removing finished rounds by hand) I can knock off 100 rounds of .38 spl in 15 minutes if I pay attention to inserting and removing in a crisp manner. Without spare primer tubes I need another 5 minutes for reloading the tube.

Having a powder check die makes things go faster as there is less need to eyeball things.

Usually, though, I don't push it and do around 250-300 per hour.
 
That said, it's not a race. When I was first setting up my Dillon, I probably got less than that. I loaded one complete round at a time until I knew everything was right.

I'd rather take my time and learn. Pulling bullets takes a lot longer than loading them.
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A couple of hundred rounds an hour is pleanty. IMHO I don't think that you can do a proper job of inspecting the finished rounds when you are talking upwards of 1000 rounds/hr. If something goes awry progressives have an amazing ability to allow you to eff up a bunch of rounds quick.
 
I CAN do about 300 and hour with a Lee Pro-1000. (I know, I just used those words here... ) It doesn't feel too rushed to me, but faster does. And when I'm loading .44 Magnums, it takes a fair amount of force to resize those cases anyway, so i don't push it. That's without a case feeder or bullet feeder. Prefer simple.

Being that it takes a fair amount of force to size 44 mag cases, and even with carbide dies, have you tried case lubing them? I use the Dillon spray on lube, and when I use jacketed bullets I generally use case lube. It makes a big difference in the amount of effort you expend while sizing. I thought it was a stupid idea at first, but when I tried it, I was amazed at how easy it made loading handgun ammo (40 S&W mostly, but 38 super too). I then tumble the finished rounds for about 10 minutes in my tumbler. Yes, I know, people say that that's bad to do, but that one was discussed quite a bit in another forum, powder is actually very hard (like sand) and doesn't readily disintegrate. I stopped using lube since I use moly coated lead bullets. Tumbling those removes some of the moly coating and make the corn cob turn black. I still tumble my 9mm (plated bullets) and 38 supers (Jacketed bullets).

Vince
 
On my 650 with case feeder, if I have enough primer tubes loaded, about 600 rounds per hour is a good average.

Yes, I could go faster. But I prefer a little pause at each press stroke to inspect every round at thier respective station.
 
A couple of hundred rounds an hour is plenty. IMHO I don't think that you can do a proper job of inspecting the finished rounds when you are talking upwards of 1000 rounds/hr. If something goes awry progressives have an amazing ability to allow you to eff up a bunch of rounds quick.

While that may be true for you, when I want to load ammo, I only want to do it once a month or even less often. If you've set up the press correctly, sorted your brass and inspected it before you dropped it in the hopper, there really is little to worry about unless you run out of powder (lots of cases with no powder, squibs like mad) or run out of primers (powder dripping out all over the place) then it's not really any different than when ammo manufacturers run off literally thousands if not millions of rounds on those high speed Camdex loading machines.

It really boils down to how well you know your press, how often you check your powder hopper/primer feed tube and if you check your powder measure for calibration about every 100 rounds or so. Once the machine is set up, unless something breaks or wears out, you can crank out ammo as fast or as slow as you want. Sure a single stage press is less likely to have you making mistakes, but when you fire a few thousand rounds a month in practice, 800/hr still takes less time to load than 300/hr. I want to spend more of my time shooting and not sitting in the garage loading. Not to mention the wife factor. But then she bought me the 650 in the first place after she saw how long it took to load 200 rounds on a single stage (at the time, 2 hours).

If you are careful and work at your own pace (fast or slow) depending on the press, you can make qualty ammo at a fairly fast clip. I use a Dillon, but I have used the Hornady and Lee in the past.. they were good for the time, but Dillon got it right when they put the case feeder on it. Now Hornady finally offers one.

Vince
 
I tell folks that you should not measure your production in rounds per hour, but you should measure it in guns blown up or squibs created or other failures. Rounds per hour measures good with the bad. It is far better to focus on preventing the bad and let the production rates take care of themselves.
 
Peter,

A powder check die virtually eliminates the worry about bad charges--or it has for me in the last 25,000 or so rounds.

Put in the powder check die and just chunk them babies out.
 
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