R's use poison pill in DC House of Rep's debate

[antsi]

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are people still worried about a AWB renewal when 52 Democrats vote to repeal the DC gun ban?
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The gloom-and-doomers may be exaggerating, but the everything-is-rosy-and-Democrats-are-our-friends crowd is even more off base.

First, as noted, those 52 Democrats may have had any number of different motivations, including perhaps mooting Parker.

Second, the fact that the Democrat leadership was willing to give up the golden political victory of new guaranteed "Democrat forever" seats in the house and senate, just to save the DC gun ban, demonstrates that the leadership of the party is still virulently anti gun owner. They killed their own bill - and one they wanted very badly - just to save the DC gun ban.

Make no mistake: gun control is still a major part of the Democrat party agenda. It isn't going away. A few Democrats may stray here and there, but the leadership will apply all kinds of pressure to rein them back in.

 

[Scanr]

We need to find out who these 52 Democrats are and if any are in your state or district write them a thank you note via snail mail.

I would agree, but use email it is faster now, since the anthrax scare the governmental mail takes weeks to get through because it has to be checked.

 

[LAR-15]

Uh there was NO VOTE taken on the amended bill......it was pulled.

Prolly due to pressure by Holmes-Norton.

The Repubs know THAT HOLMES-NORTON WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE EAT A REPEAL OF THE DC GUN BAN.

Therefore the bill is dead.



This isn't to thwart Parker.

This is to keep Holmes-Norton from becoming a real voting representative. She is a gun hating uber lefty and should be thwarted at every turn.

 

[F4GIB]

Don't be happy. This is just another NRA attempt to kill the Parker v. DC lawsuit. NRA is terrified of a Supreme Court decision regarding the Second Amendment.

If this law passes, the Parker case becomes moot, and the threat to the status quo disappears. And NRA-ILA will continue burying you in fund raising letters.

 

[pacodelahoya]

The only alternative I've heard that has some appeal is to give them Montgomery and Prince George's counties. That would significantly improve a lot of things here.

Heck, give em Baltimore, Frederick and Howard county too. We'll give you Philadelphia and York, but you have to agree to run all the New Yawkers and Joisey folk out!!

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

This is just another NRA attempt to kill the Parker v. DC lawsuit. NRA is terrified of a Supreme Court decision regarding the Second Amendment.

Actually, according to Alan Gura and Robert Levy (two of the lawyers from Parker), they met with the NRA on Thursday (the same day this happened) and Wayne LaPierre promised them personally that they wouldn't seek legislation that would interfere with Parker.

 

[antsi]

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Wayne LaPierre promised them personally that they wouldn't seek legislation that would interfere with Parker.
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I hope they didn't believe that. Wayne was probably lying to them, just to set them up, so the NRA's latest anti-gun legislation would take them by surprise. After all, he'd do anything to prevent a sweeping SCOTUS victory of RKBA

 

[jpk1md]

Antsi, I really hope you're being sarcastic.

There are a few folks that are down on the NRA because they've fumbled some local efforts in the past pretty badly but they do a decent job at the big federal stuff....they are after all the 800lb Gorilla in the room

 

[gunsmith]

well this part is trueand that part just aint

true

Second, the fact that the Democrat leadership was willing to give up the golden political victory of new guaranteed "Democrat forever" seats in the house and senate, just to save the DC gun ban, demonstrates that the leadership of the party is still virulently anti gun owner. They killed their own bill - and one they wanted very badly - just to save the DC gun ban.

Make no mistake: gun control is still a major part of the Democrat party agenda. It isn't going away. A few Democrats may stray here and there, but the leadership will apply all kinds of pressure to rein them back in.

not true

And NRA-ILA will continue burying you in fund raising letters.

As a real live life NRA member, all I get nowadys are magazines that have paid for themselves already...I feel kinda left out, the NRA has gotten my expensive life membership and doesn't "bury me" in request....
My feelings are hurt and I'm gonna stomp my feet!!

After the NRA secures a favorable 2A decision there will be a huge upsurge in membership as folks in NYC/LA buy guns, and take courses...the gun culture will take off faster then a case of zombieism on late night cable tv during halloween

 

[noops]

Yep. You can always count on representatives of the Democratic (sic) party to do two things: anything to prevent commoners from exercising the right to keep and bear arms, and lie about it.

You can always count on the Republican party to do two things: Spy on americans (without warrants), eliminate habeas corpus, attempt to eliminate any oversight, and lie about it.

OK, that was 4.

N

 

[Ironbarr]

antsi...

A few Democrats may stray here and there, but the leadership will apply all kinds of pressure to rein them back in.

I believe there is more truth in this statement if it were to read: A few Democrats may stray here and there, but the directorate will apply all kinds of pressure to rein them back in.

BTW folks: Please help me understand why NRA would shoot down a SCOTUS pro-2nd A. decision.

 

[Mark Whiteman]

As a Constitutionalist, I'd like to say this is a very interesting thread. With the usual exceptions, I think you'll find politicians, both Ds and Rs, have voted for bills that infinge on all sorts of liberties. Government is about control, if not at the outset, very shortly thereafter. That said, I also feel too many of the personalities involved have lost sight of who the badguys really are. Now, feel free to continue!

 

[4v50 Gary]

Concur with Mark Whiteman. It doesn't matter which party is in control, government abuses exists under both parties. That's why an independent judiciary is so important to keep the other two branches of government in check. It worked until FDR messed with the Court back in the '30s. Only recently has the Court been reasserting itself. I've heard the liberals in SF calling the local district court "liberal" because it wouldn't support ill-conceived citizen approved proposition unconstitutional (under CA state law).

Also concur with Lacooche (sp). The District was set up to be between the Northern & Southern states. It was only a sleepy town until the Civil War made it an armed camp (filled with bars, whore houses) and a regular city. People moved there voluntarily or remain there voluntarily. If they want a Senator or Congress-critter, move to Baltimore or any of the other bedroom communities outside of the District.

 

[antsi]

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Please help me understand why NRA would shoot down a SCOTUS pro-2nd A. decision.
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I don't really believe this, but what you will hear is that the NRA fears an outright victory for RKBA because it would negate their raison d'etre.

Never mind the fact that there's never any such thing as an "outright victory" that lasts forever - there will always be future Congresses and future President Hillarys appointing future Justice Ginsburgs who would forever be salivating about the thought of overturning such a decision, or emasculating it, in future decisions. Bottom line: we will always be fighting this fight, no matter what the Supreme Court says.

And never mind the fact that political activism is only a small fraction of the NRA's activities, and they'd like nothing better than getting back to their competitions and instruction and range certification and youth programs and the other 95% of what they do.

And never mind the fact that the same pseudo-savvy cynicism that says the NRA doesn't want to be successful for fear of putting itself out of business can equally well apply to any profession or human activity whatsoever. By the same token, doctors and nurses are secretly spreading disease, firemen are secretly arsonists, auto mechanics run around at night secretly sabotaging cars, and USDA agricultural inspectors secretly spread E. coli, all, of course, in the name of perpetuating their own existence.

 

[LAR-15]

This was just a stunt to prevent Eleanor Holmes-Norton from getting more voting rights in Congress.

It has nothing to do with Parker.

It was simply a poison pill to thwart the Dems from giving D.C. more of a vote.

The Dem leadership are gun haters (except John Dingell) and they would not have swallowed this in any way shape or form.

The Republicans knew this.

And they'll try to attach it again to any DC voting bill or hopefully (and better) interstate handgun sales.

 

[Mark Whiteman]

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Please help me understand why NRA would shoot down a SCOTUS pro-2nd A. decision.
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...NRA would simply de-emphasize the ILA branch, which is actually separate anyway. NRA was around decades before Chucky Schumer or that ilk were born.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

To summarize my thoughts on this:

1) I'm disgusted that there is a core in the Dem Party leadership that has such a knee-jerk opposition to gun rights that it is willing to sacrifice one of their most sought-after goals just to keep one of the most draconian restrictions in one small area.

2) I'm heartened that there is a growing presence of Dems in Congress who will break with the party on this issue. The battle is joined, and we need to do what we can to help them win.

3) On the issue of annuling Parker I look at in a more troubling way. If the anti-gun Dems want this decided by the SCOTUS, they might have reason for confidence it will go their way. Maybe the NRA is being wise to wait for a more opportune time (if that is, indeed, what they're doing).

 

[LAR-15]

Fifty-two Democrats voted with Republicans on a similar measure to repeal the gun ban in 2004.

No guarantee of 52 Dems in favor this time

 

[nico]

Oh my G-d! No!

Things are bad enough here as it is! There is no way we want that parcel back again.

We donated 69-some square miles of prime swamp land, and look what they did to it. They completely ruined it.

The only alternative I've heard that has some appeal is to give them Montgomery and Prince George's counties. That would significantly improve a lot of things here.

what he said!

If Montgomery and PG counties were annexed into DC, MD would easily become as red (if not moreso) as PA.

 

[alan]

Re the role played by the NRA in the past, which might well be an indicator of future antics, how hard did they fight GCA'98, and didn't they also play a role in the creation of the National Firearms Act of 1934?

Remember Wayne La Pierre's famous or infamous "background checks for everyone"?

As to "being buried in NRA Fund Raising Letters, if you aren't happy with the NRA, contribute to someone else.