AWB is DEAD............

[NevadaPistolero]

Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill
NewsMax.com Wires
Tuesday, Mar. 2, 2004
WASHINGTON – Senate Republicans scuttled an election-year bill to immunize the gun industry from lawsuits Tuesday after Democrats amended it to extend a ban on what they call "assault weapons" and require background checks on all buyers at private gun shows.
National Rifle Association began pressuring senators to vote against the bill after Democrats won votes on the two key gun control measures. The 90-8 vote against the bill virtually ends any chance for gun legislation to make through Congress this year.

"I now believe it is so dramatically wounded that I would urge my colleagues to vote against it," said Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, the sponsor of the gunmaker immunity bill.

Democrats won close votes on their amendments to change the Republican legislation, a strategy aimed at pressuring the GOP-dominated House to accept the restrictions to gain passage of the gunmaker-immunity bill.

Though Democrats won't get the extension on the gun ban and the gun show legislation, they called the vote a success. "Look, everyone's between a rock and a hard place," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. "The immunity bill was a terrible bill. We're better off at the end of the day than we were at the beginning of the day."


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[Sgt Stevo]

not in ca, right?

Are we ever going to see this sillyness, go away in ca. I carried weapon my whole life and cant buy an Ar. I wish we could move. But not enough $ in other places. Any hope in Sight. Stevo.......

 

[Nightcrawler]

California is a whole other ball of wax, I'm afraid. If there's a serious movement to repeal CA's AW ban, I haven't heard of it. Good luck, though. It'd be nice if Cali was made livable again.

 

[DJW]

AWB

I guess I need to get my ears checked. This afternoon the radio informed me the AWB was renewed(overwhelmingly)for 10 yrs. The television informs me this evening that is not the case. I was also exposed to John Mc Cain ranting about "criminals and terrorists" taking advantage of the "gunshow loophole" and how that must be stopped. Then I was treated to Finestien who informed me that 66% of gun owners favored the AWB. Surely the ear doctor can remedy my problem.
What really frosts my cake is is the underlying assumption that someone does not believe I am competent to dispose of my private property without the government becoming actively involved. This is really the issue. There is NO gun show loophole! NOBODY can buy a firearm from a dealer w/out a background check. Private sales are just that-private sales.
Having been a gun owner and shooter for 50 years(w/out arrest or any alleged wrongdoing) I find it amazing that now the government feels it needs to be intimately involved in the sale or transfer of my property. How absurd.
I guess it's alright to get on tv and say any damn thing that pops into one's head these days. I can't recall any news of criminals or terrorists buying firearms at a gun show. I can't believe that 66% of gun owners believe they are incompetent in the area of disposing of their property. Perhaps I am just an old relic but the hysteria of the media and those who would "protect" me from my own incompetence is getting outright absurd. Will these people never mind their own business?
Perhaps tomorrow I will wake up and find this whole thing has just been a bad dream brought on by eating too much bar-b-que but I doubt it.
Thanks for letting me rant. DJW

 

[HankL]

It's too bad that a good piece of legislation got killed as well. The AWB is not dead until it's dead Dianne or Chuck can add an amendment to most any bill that comes along. Keep a weather eye open.

 

[Destructo6]

I rarely use such terms, but thank God! Sitting here helpless, since my senators are Boxer and Feinstein and not exactly receptive to our side of the topic, was painful. I guess I'll keep the letter to my rep handy, just in case.

Better to wait until next year to try to protect the gun industry rather than risk another turd attached to it before the AWB sunset.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Once again, representatives of the Democratic (sic) party have killed legislation the nation sorely needed. Once again, representatives of the Republican party stood around with their hands in their pockets and did nothing.

They don't want my vote this November.

 

[Amish]

No it's not dead. They will introduce a new ban bill soon to address the 94' expiration specifically. Then the real fight will start. The admendment to S.1805 was just to kill it.

 

[natedog]

So, the rider to prevent the '94 ban from sunsetting was voted to be tacked on to the "Gun Industry Immunity" bill, and then this same bill was killed in the Senate?

 

[JoeWang]

The real fight is coming this year. Watch for over-sensationalized reporting of "gun violence" from the media this early summer. The libs have nothing to stand on except the "hate Bush" platform. They will try and amend every single bill this summer. And some republicans in crappy straits will kowtow to it like the dozen or so midwestern traitors who voted in favor of the amendments today. They will try and turn this into one major part of their campaign.

The real anti's have been busy lubing up the media for this very event. Don't let your guard down for a minute. Money and votes are important so get out there and make a difference.

 

[Fred Thompson]

That would be sound strategy on their part...Divide and conquer... Or

maybe I'm reading too much in to this.. It's easy to think of those Dems as

idiots, but if they were ordinary citizens, they would be arrested

for "Civil disturbance".

 

[Frohickey]

...now if only the gun industry would go along with this idea, this whole thing might just work out.

If a city/state sues a gun manufacturer/distributor for crimes committed by criminals using a gun, the gun manufacturer/distributor MUST stop all further business with the city/state. Other manufacturers should embargo this particular city/state as well.

Manufacturers that break this embargo would be listed in gun owners website, and they can suffer the same fate as Smith&Wesson.

 

[c_yeager]

Manufacturers that break this embargo would be listed in gun owners website, and they can suffer the same fate as Smith&Wesson.

I hate to say it but, i think a lot of manufacturers would LOVE to have the same bottom line as S&W.

 

[TechBrute]

I don't know a whole lot about politics. I get sick to my stomach whenever I start to learn too much about them.

As near as I can figure (please correct me if I'm wrong), we have a real uphill battle against us. Feinstien got the AWB renewal amendment attached to the lawsuit immunity bill. This means that if the immunity bill passes (good) then the AWB will be around for another 10 years (bad.) If the lawsuit immunity bill gets shot down (bad), they can still attach the AWB renewal to any other bill that's being debated (really bad.)

That's my understanding of it. It seems our only hope is to kill the lawsuit immunity bill then keep those stupid congresscritters from adding the AWB ban to other bills.

I'd rather see the AWB drop then see both the immunity and the AWB pass. At least we can hope that the common sense of some judges will continue to hold the frivolous lawsuits at bay.

I hope that we can come to our senses as a country soon.

 

[sendec]

The Flip Side.....

Immunizing the firearms industry might prevent frivolous suits, but it sets a precedent that could get slippery. Good solid business practices and sound legal defense strategies will serve the industry and not open up the possibility of an abuse of the immunity.

Which will benefit the larger number more, the ending of the AWB or the lawsuit rider?

 

[Frohickey]

As near as I can figure (please correct me if I'm wrong), we have a real uphill battle against us. Feinstien got the AWB renewal amendment attached to the lawsuit immunity bill. This means that if the immunity bill passes (good) then the AWB will be around for another 10 years (bad.) If the lawsuit immunity bill gets shot down (bad), they can still attach the AWB renewal to any other bill that's being debated (really bad.)

Or, Feinstein can get shot down in the polls.

 

[TechBrute]

I wish someone would run over her with a Toyota Prius.

 

[kbsrn]

AWB

The AWB won't ever get out of the House. The Senate killed the bill today becuase there are few if any repubs in the Senate. The AWB rider would never had made it out of conference. They should not have killed the bill. It maybe, and I am probably giving the gutless wonders in the Senate more credit then they deserve, that the repubs. may attach the 1805 bill as a rider to something the dems want.