Ruby Ridge on Discovery

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187-"wrong again, the marshals were there with a warrant due to the failure to appear. "

I repeat, they were not there to serve a warrent.

187-"weaver was just as responsable as anyone. "

I think 187 that is a real cheap shot. Do really think Weaver knew his wife and son would be killed for the his illegal action?
 
If all they really wanted to do was serve the warrant and arrest him why didn't they just watch the road and pull him over the next time he drove to town alone? It takes six guys in camos and carrying M16s to figure out how to arrest him?
 
4th, i believe any half way intelligent person should know if the there is a warrant for your arrest and you chose to arm your family and hole up in your house your family maybe injured or killed when law enforcement comes to serve that warrant. he had been told there was a warrant , choppers had been flying around his house,( he state that hisself on your little show you watched that made you an expert on ruby ridge)and he refused to surrender himself. had he done so he would have gone before a judge and if it was entrappment the charges would have been dismissed. 187
 
Here's what it boils down to: LE screwed up big time, and that's official. Courts have ruled as much. Now, maybe Weaver screwed up too, but that doesn't excuse the way LE acted.
 
187-",( he state that hisself on your little show you watched that made you an expert on ruby ridge)"
187, Sir I believed I said I learned alot from it.

187-"he done so he would have gone before a judge and if it was entrappment the charges would have been dismissed. "

!87, the charges were eventually dropped.

187, I know your heart is in the right place. I know you are trying to tell everyone to obey the law or serious thing can come from it.
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Things aren't that simple when it comes to our rights.
 
no what i'm trying to tell you is I was at ruby ridge and randy weaver ain't no persecuted saint and i didn't see the discovery chanel there either.187 and i've state repeatedly that the lea's screwed up, but they weren't there because they wanted to kill the weaver family they were there because a judge order them to do thier job.
 
187, in the old days (1770's) they tarred and feathered people like you.
 
187-"187 and i've state repeatedly that the lea's screwed up..."
"I was at ruby ridge and randy weaver ain't no persecuted saint and i didn't see the discovery chanel there either."

You were at Ruby Ridge..........?
Hmmm, I'm really lost now, if you are not 187, why are you using his handle? Ummm...troll maybe?
Or third grader staying up late when mom and dad aren't home?
 
wun_8_seven,

No one in this thread has called Weaver a "saint". I believe "White separatist with sympathy for the leaders of the local white supremacists" was how he was described.

Randy Weavers character, although "unsaint like" does not exonerate you or any one else "there"If you/they broke the law.

You say you were "at" Ruby ridge. The 4thhorseman offered you a gracious "out " as to your intentions. It would appear that in neither case you chose correctly


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I believe the marshalls were totally camoflaged and carrying silenced, selective fire weapons when Sammy Weaver's dog discovered them. I believe that the marshalls shot Sammy Weavers dog on Sammy Weaver's father property. Sammy Weaver and Harris fired at the hostile fire from an unknown source...so would I.

If uniformed police come on my property with a warrant, I will submit, cooperate, and call my lawyer. No biggie. Shoot, if the cops call me on the phone and say,"Byron, we've got a warrant, come on down to the station." I'll put down the phone and drive to the station.

If you come on my property dressed and equipped as a ninja assassin...expect to be treated as a ninja assassin if I discover you.
 
Am I wrong or didn't he miss that court date because it was changed without his knowledge? I seem to remember something about that...
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Yes. He was told March 20 when it was Feb 20. Depending on the article that you read, this was either a clerical error or a setup. Oddly enough, despite the fact that the error was known, he was still convicted of failure to appear in court. It was the only thing that he was actually convicted of. The judge let him off with time served. The charges related to sawed-off shotguns were dismissed due to entrapment.

Randy Weaver was no saint, but he did not deserve what happened to him and his family.

http://www.ruby-ridge.com/
http://i2i.org/SuptDocs/Waco/rrprosec.htm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966433408/
http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/enforce/rubyridge/
http://www.constitution.org/ruby/ruby.htm
Aw heck, just type ruby ridge into a search engine, and pack a lunch.
 
and randy weaver ain't no persecuted saint and i didn't see the discovery chanel there either.
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If one's level of sainthood is the stick by which law enforcement is to judge guilt or innocence, I think we have some serious problems.
 
No one ever said Weaver was a saint, likewise I don’t believe any one here blames the “troops on the groundâ€. It’s the people who engineered the entrapment, told the snipers to shoot on sight, and tried to cover it up that should have been at least fired if not prosecuted.
 
Dunno how I missed this one so long.

People, please remember that no matter how much you are annoyed by what someone else is saying, attack the argument, not the person.

I am going to leave this open, with reservations. It is an interesting thread. It will be closed if the personal insults/attacks do not cease immediately.

pax
 
Trivia question: Who has murdered women and children at both RR and Waco and never been charged?

It's sad that people like that can safely walk the streets.
 
yes i was at ruby ridge in the aftermath for two months during the doj investigation, but you watched a tv show so i'm sure you know more about it. i was also in the alfred p. murrah building when it was blown up, killing 169 men , women and childern for no other reason than they happen to work in a federal building. now lets hear your praise for your hero mcviegh.187
 
byron, the point is weaver didn't go down and address the charges against him. he refused to leave his property for fear of arrest. he had to know sooner or latter they would come after him. wayneD, i think your the only one that gets it. it was the politico's under janet reno that should have been held responsible for the govs. part in the fiasco. but that doesn't acuse weavers actions
 
Interesting thread. However
now lets hear your praise for your hero mcviegh.187
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is completely and utterly unfair and uncalled for. You obviously have your opinion, but the two are in no way shape or form comparable. I have mixed opinions on this issue and can easily understand both sides of what happened. Your comparison of Weaver and McVeigh and your veiled inference that if you support one, you must support the other betrays your bias all too clearly.

Also,
i was also in the alfred p. murrah building when it was blown up, killing 169 men , women and childern for no other reason than they happen to work in a federal building.
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So you were actually in the building eh? And in what capacity did you work in both situations? Inquiring minds and all that.
 
I don't think anyone condones the crimes of McV. or Koresh, I do think people have a problem when inocent people die because some federal agent is "just doing his job". Think about it 187.
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