Ruger’s Minis ?

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Why didn't they make it to take AR mags? Even after all these years, why not refit it to accept an AR mag?
Although there are other companies making Mini mags, most do not work well. Ruger mags work perfectly, but are expensive.

Assuming Ruger could redesign the Mini to take AR mags, why would Ruger want to give up that income to the myriad of manufacturers making AR mags? For a company, having a proprietary product is not a bad thing.
 
I still have my 2nd Mini-14, a s/s 184- purchased, used, in the mid-80s.

For me, it has always been a handy little rifle that both looks & feels good and it is accurate enough for how I use it.

It also works for me as a "palate cleanser" after I spend too much time with its AR neighbors. ;)

JeeperCreeper, now has me pondering a .300BLK Mini. That would be nice. :)
 
Ruger still makes them, so they must be able to sell them. I saw several new ones for sale yesterday at a gun show. Other than someone living in a place where rifles like the AR15 are illegal but the mini isn't, I can't understand why someone would prefer one over an AR just based on comparative price, let alone performance and available options and accessories.
 
My first Mini 14 was pre-Ranch, no scope rings nor a place to put um. It lasted till the Ranch came out. My Mini now is a later model with the swelled barrel. I love to shoot it, the recoil is more of a caress than a punch. I’ve always liked steel and wood over plastic and aluminum. I’m satisfied with the accuracy. Loaded with varmint loads usually finds it leaning against the railing in front of me on the porch.
 
My guess would be due to potential patent infringement between Colt and Ruger?

I think, more like the Mini-14 was designed in an era when William Batterman Ruger oversaw the design and production tooling of every single product they made. It was a matter or personal pride for him. This has more or less been outlined in various Ruger official (and unofficial) histories of the company, and biographies of the man. Remember, there is a model that they just didn't see doing well in the market, even though it was fully developed. Remember the Ruger X-GI - which was a scaled up Mini-14 (or was the Mini-14 a scaled down X-GI?).
 
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I want a mini in 300 BlK.

For the same reason I want a Deerfield Carbine.

Just a handy little thing, compared to a lever gun, the Mini makes alot of sense


would that be a Mini-14 or a Mini-30?
(Yes I do know the answer to the question, I have one.)
 
What I really like about the Mini-14 as a Carbine, is that with aperture sights, the sight axis is low to the bore axis: It hits where you aim it.

5.56mm NATO M193 55 gr. ball:
- Zero'ed at 100 yards, which is just shy of the 2700 fps Reliable Fragmentation Threshold range (~ 115 yds) given a 3150 fps muzzle velocity,
- Will be (+/-) 1/4" from 25 yds out to that 115 yards, (starting 7/8" low at the muzzle)
- And, at ~ 150 yds, the 2600 fps Min. Fragmentation Threshold range, the holdover is < 1-1/4".

Point-N-Shoot.

...and will really tear stuff up out to that range:






GR
 
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I love my Mini family, the 14, the 6.8 and the 30. Excellent rifles. I have them all scoped exactly the same. Makes adjustments easy. All have been reliable. The 30 needed some firing pin work in order to shoot the steel cased stuff.
 
That could have been a slight possibility for the first few years of production, but patents on the AR-15 have long run out now.

The simple reality is that the action of the Mini-14 isn't well suited to a mag release on the side (which is required for AR-15 mags). Because the rifle's action ejects from the top and has the stock on the sides rather than the receiver, it works out best to have the magazine release on the bottom of the gun. That really only works for a "rock and lock" style mag not a straight insert mag like the AR has.

The gun would need to be redesigned to take AR mags, and by that point - you might as well just get an AR.

I like the Mini-14 from the standpoint of it specifically NOT being an AR. AR's are fine but they've sucked all variety and interest out of the semi-auto market.
This.
Sometimes people want something different to shoot. Or they are an old geezer that doesn't care what the latest fad is and just wants to do it the old way. Or they bought a gun simply because it it's fun to shoot.
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I got my Mini for the reason that its different then an AR and for nostalgia reasons. It brings back memories as a kid shooting with my dad. And they are fun to shoot.

That said. I wouldn't personally pay current prices for one when I could buy an Ar for the same or even cheaper. The only reason I have this one is because it was clearanced at Walmart for $400 two years ago. I'm also just going to stick to the one SKS and Mosin Nagant I have that I bought when cheap and not buying anymore at today's prices. But if somebody else want to, that's fine by me.
 
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Because unless your actively fighting a war, why would you let your gun get completely covered in mud, dirt, or other crap.
I've dropped guns into fine lava dust, mostly cause I went into it, and none have ever had that much crap on them. Even ridding around on the front of a quad, or bouncing around in the back of my truck all day hasn't left that much crap on any of my guns.



.....and further more, I'd clean my damn gun if it DID get that dirty, and wouldn't shoot ammo in it that it didn't work with while clean and lubed

That's simply my opinion of course.
 
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Why are they “stupid”?

Whether or not they're stupid, I'd consider the entirety of World War 2 a more effective test than a few Youtube videos. Both the M1 Garand and the M1 Carbine use the same type of action and there are no reports of them constantly jamming during that conflict. I'm not going to argue it's reliability against the AR (AR's are pretty reliable too), and honestly as a combat rifle I'd take an AR over a Mini-14, but if the Mini-14 (or realistically, its select-fire version the AC-556) had to be used in a combat role it would likely do fine. Not the best choice, but certainly not an "OMG what are we gonna do!?!?!" scenario.
 
This is the kind of review I’ve read for years that undermines the platform:
The Ruger Mini-14 is a poor substitute for a good AR-15.

Some back story is necessary. In 1999, my police department was fearful of Y2K and societal collapse. Our chief at the time directed me to form a patrol rifle program, arming and training as many officers as possible with .223 rifles. No other suburban police department in my county had a rifle program for anyone except SWAT officers. It seems strange now that almost every officer in America has a rifle in his cruiser. but back then, no one carried rifles.

I did all my research and prepared a report for the chief. He approved the program, but only gave me $2500 to get it started. He allowed me to make the choice of buying and equipping four Ruger Mini-14 rifles or two AR-15s for essentially the same price. Wanting more officers to be armed with rifles, I chose to purchase the Mini-14.


Y2K came and went without incident. We had our Mini-14 rifles for almost five years before dumping them for government surplus M-16 A1s. During that five year period, I trained up around 20 officers. They each got four full days of rifle training every year and fired about 2,000 rifle rounds annually. Doing the rough math, you’ll figure out that I personally supervised approximately 200,000 rounds fired through Mini-14 rifles during the period we issued them. I think that makes enough of of an authority to make the following statements…



1) Mini-14 Accuracy sucks. The rifles we had were 5-6 MOA guns AT BEST. From a prone and rested position, my officers could rarely keep all their rounds in the chest of a silhouette at 75 yards. Even the newer “more accurate” guns that I’ve seen in my classes haven’t been better than 3 MOA. This is inexcusable when most well-made AR-15 rifles are 1-2 MOA guns.



2) Mini-14s are not as reliable as good AR-15s. The guns aren’t horribly unreliable as far as feeding goes, but they don’t work as well as most of the AR-15s I’ve seen on the range. The real problem isn’t feeding reliability, it’s parts breakage. Our department guns broke extractors and firing pins with incredible frequency.

3) You can’t buy factory parts or repair the Mini-14 yourself. Speaking of broken parts, every time you break something on your Mini-14, you will have to send the entire gun back to the factory. The factory won’t sell most critical repair parts, even to certified armorers. With an AR-15, you can buy any part you want and learn how to install it after watching a 10-minute YouTube video. That can’t happen with the Ruger.

I’ll leave you with an anecdote about the first qualification course I shot with my personally owned Mini-14 as soon as the rifle was approved for patrol use by our police chief….

Besides myself, there was only one other instructor in the county who was certified to sign off on police semi-auto rifle qualifications. Before I could use my gun for patrol, I had to shoot the state qualification course with him. I called up this officer (an experienced Columbus Police SWAT firearms instructor) and he met me at my range to watch me shoot.
He didn’t say anything when I pulled the Mini-14 from its case. Using after market 30 round magazines, I had a hell of a time passing the course because the frequent malfunctions made me late on the time limits. When I finally passed, the CPD SWAT guy looked at me and said:

“You know, that Mini-14 is completely unsuitable for law enforcement. That’s a nutjob militia survivalist’s gun. It’s not anything you should actually carry to protect yourself.”

I was offended at the time, but I soon realized my SWAT friend was right. The Mini-14 shouldn’t be relied upon for any serious social work.
 
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If the Mini 30 had somehow been designed to --one day-- use Russian ammo with their harder primers, it might have been much more popular in 2008, when I bought one.
Combine the Mini 30's Russian primer issue with the total lack (then) of OEM mags for 'civilians' and I decided to stick with my 100% reliable Chinese SKS and Mini 14 (no issues with Russian .223) which still had the OEM mag.,
issued with the rifle to a KY prison or other agency..

"State of KY" silver sticker fragment was still on the Mini 14's buttstock. That 20-rd. OEM mag. was 100% reliable.
 
would that be a Mini-14 or a Mini-30?
(Yes I do know the answer to the question, I have one.)

Haha Mini 14 tactical via catalogue and bolt, but I guess Mini 30 would make more sense for caliber.

I guess it should split the difference and be a Mini 22. But I guess that would be missing up a Ruger 10/22.

Man, my head is spinning.

Do they still make the 6.8?
 
My questions regarding that review are simply how many minis did they eventually have? Cause 200k rounds thru 4 guns is kinda a lot.

As you've found most of the small parts are available, tho I believe trigger components, etc are still factory (or used) only.

I think one needs to actually consider what one wants the gun for, and what one wants from it.
 
My questions regarding that review are simply how many minis did they eventually have? Cause 200k rounds thru 4 guns is kinda a lot.


As you've found most of the small parts are available, tho I believe trigger components, etc are still factory (or used) only.

I think one needs to actually consider what one wants the gun for, and what one wants from it.
Consider the actual title of his opinion piece:
Hating on the Ruger Mini-14
That kind of title is intended for one purpose and it’s not to inform or enlightened anyone. It’s intended to get clicks.
 
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My questions regarding that review are simply how many minis did they eventually have? Cause 200k rounds thru 4 guns is kinda a lot.


As you've found most of the small parts are available, tho I believe trigger components, etc are still factory (or used) only.

I think one needs to actually consider what one wants the gun for, and what one wants from it.
There appears to be plenty of 3rd party manufacturers of trigger parts for the Mini-14/30. And they appear to get excellent reviews.

Brownell’s has over 10 pages of parts for the Mini-14/30.
 
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Since it was brought up, what adjustments are needed to use use Russian steel case in the mini 30?
 
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