m500'92
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They also sell more guns and probably make far more models than either combined so that helps with having more recalls and returns.
Ruger 357 Black Hawk is Junk
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They also sell more guns and probably make far more models than either combined so that helps with having more recalls and returns.
Guillermo
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a reasonable point that I will concede.
CraigC
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Actually, didn't Ruger recently surpass S&W for sheer volume of handgun production???
For overall production, Ruger definitely builds more guns and their catalog is much more diverse.
For overall production, Ruger definitely builds more guns and their catalog is much more diverse.
teumessian_fox
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You need to try to keep things in their proper context and to not be so dishonest with your posts.
This is the other thread:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4295118#post4295118
He was criticized because he sold the gun without apprising the new buyer of the problems he had. Get your facts straight.
I have owned several Ruger revolvers, and though I traded them off due to not fitting my hand well after trying to accomodate to their grip configurations, I found them to be nicely priced, reliable, and well made in general. Their semiautos have been been absolutely wonderful to me and the one small problem I had with my P95 was resolved quickly once I spoke to a supervisor.
(The first two people I spoke with were not as helpful but it was easy to negotiate past them and talk to the big dog). All in all my experiences have been positive and I will buy Ruger again.
(The first two people I spoke with were not as helpful but it was easy to negotiate past them and talk to the big dog). All in all my experiences have been positive and I will buy Ruger again.
RX-178
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Okay, I may be hopelessly out of the loop here, but I am completely unaware of any Ruger firearms made in China?
Am I missing something?
shiftyer1
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sorry you got a bad one. I gotta disagree though because I have a 50th anniversary model and i've fired enough rounds thru it to start to think it's getting worn out, BUT it's still goin strong. Maybe urs was made the day after the company xmas party?
I don't know about anyone else but I'm very happy with the two Blackhawks, two GP100s, Redhawk and Super Redhawk that I have. I also happen to like the Mini-14 too .... and I'm a picky bastard!! I see an SP101 in my future and eventually a Redhawk and Super Redhawk in .44 Magnum. I've had no need for customer service and if Ruger quality has gone down the toilet, I can only imagine what they used to make.
weregunner
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Just to add a bit to this I have two Ruger P95s, a Ruger GP-100, SP-101, P97DC, two Ruger rifles,and a SR-9 and the SR-9c model.
One did go back for a problem. The SR-9. It was one of the first batch out and had safety issues. It was returned, fixed, and utterly reliable now.
CS worked with me through the whole thing with no problems. Was I happy. Heck no, but I realized that working through the problem in mature manner was better all around then going off on a fit.
It can be expected that when a new gun goes wonky ( that's a scientific expression.... NOT) that the owner will be very miserable and may want to vent. That happens. No problem. But then the problem needs to be worked through to a satisfactory conclusion as much as possible. And that is in a manner described above. Mature and well thought out.
We've all been here or at other gun forums when brand X or Y gets trashed. You can't broad brush a company because of one or several bad experiences. Verifable overwhelming amounts of hard core data is needed for that. Lots of it.
Inspecting the gun closely before purchasing is important. That cuts down on a lot of gripes and dis-satisfaction.
I like Ruger products. Are the end all? No. But as already noted some do get out of the factory and are unsatisfactory. It happens for the other brands as well. Will I defend Ruger to the death? No. They've had their faults like everyone else. Let it go and get on with life.
One can either decide to work things through with CS, and send the letter, sell, the gun as is and let the new owner know what they are in for, or keep the gun, but that would not be in the best interests of the OP.
I could have gone to the 2 Ruger forums and wailed, gnashed my teeth,and complained how I was wronged. That was not done. No reason for it.
One did go back for a problem. The SR-9. It was one of the first batch out and had safety issues. It was returned, fixed, and utterly reliable now.
CS worked with me through the whole thing with no problems. Was I happy. Heck no, but I realized that working through the problem in mature manner was better all around then going off on a fit.
It can be expected that when a new gun goes wonky ( that's a scientific expression.... NOT) that the owner will be very miserable and may want to vent. That happens. No problem. But then the problem needs to be worked through to a satisfactory conclusion as much as possible. And that is in a manner described above. Mature and well thought out.
We've all been here or at other gun forums when brand X or Y gets trashed. You can't broad brush a company because of one or several bad experiences. Verifable overwhelming amounts of hard core data is needed for that. Lots of it.
Inspecting the gun closely before purchasing is important. That cuts down on a lot of gripes and dis-satisfaction.
I like Ruger products. Are the end all? No. But as already noted some do get out of the factory and are unsatisfactory. It happens for the other brands as well. Will I defend Ruger to the death? No. They've had their faults like everyone else. Let it go and get on with life.
One can either decide to work things through with CS, and send the letter, sell, the gun as is and let the new owner know what they are in for, or keep the gun, but that would not be in the best interests of the OP.
I could have gone to the 2 Ruger forums and wailed, gnashed my teeth,and complained how I was wronged. That was not done. No reason for it.
m500'92
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Each model has a different recall, S&W has more variations of each model, meaning Ruger has a few basic models with different barrel lengths, calibers, etc. whereas S&W gives each variation of a gun a different model number (10, 17, 60, 66, 640, 642, 649... vs Ruger's 4 double action models).
- http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/afmer/2008-firearms-manufacturers-export-report.pdf
And in the 2008 report, S&W's production was 215,955 for revolvers and 303,834 for pistols for a combined 519,789.
Ruger's was 96,736 for revolvers and 239,499 for pistols for a combined 336,235.
So as of the last report S&W has much higher production figures.
They're not making any guns in china, thats just the air gun they sell.
zombie44
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I sold my GP100 and SP101 not too long ago. If I was a bigger fan of the 357 cartridge I'd probably still have them. A few issues I had with the SP101, it had an insanely strong trigger pull and felt gritty. But it was easily remedied since it was simple to disassemble, replace springs and polish things up. I also have their Alaskans in .44 mag and .480 and those I will never part with!! Great triggers, solidly built all around and they're a blast to shoot.
I had a .357/9mm conversion Blackhawk where one of the .357 chambers would throw a jacketed round about 8" high at 25 yards every time, for the longest time I thought I was flinching.
Shot OK with lead bullets, but leaded quickly, shot best with the 9mm cylinder.
Sold it and bought a anniversary flat top .357, poor accuracy and a terrible front sight that looked like it was carved freehand by the new guy.
Gave up on Ruger revolvers and bought a Freedom Arms model 97 .357 for three times the price.
Is it worth three Rugers?
Absolutely.
Found myself contemplating a .45 Colt Redhawk this past year, resisted the temptation.
Shot OK with lead bullets, but leaded quickly, shot best with the 9mm cylinder.
Sold it and bought a anniversary flat top .357, poor accuracy and a terrible front sight that looked like it was carved freehand by the new guy.
Gave up on Ruger revolvers and bought a Freedom Arms model 97 .357 for three times the price.
Is it worth three Rugers?
Absolutely.
Found myself contemplating a .45 Colt Redhawk this past year, resisted the temptation.
Confederate
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I don't talk to people who don't repair pistols. I call and ask to be connected to a technical person. If they say, "Well, can I help you?" I say, "Are you a technical person?" And if they say no, I say, "No, when will one be available?"
"You don't get anywhere by talking to people who answer phones. And instead of asking if .3586 is too large a bore size, tell them you have an excessive bore size and ask them if they'll replace it under warranty.
You may have put it to them like that, but I have little regard for people who answer phones. I've had a lot of experience, not only with guns, but computers -- it's all the same.
"You don't get anywhere by talking to people who answer phones. And instead of asking if .3586 is too large a bore size, tell them you have an excessive bore size and ask them if they'll replace it under warranty.
You may have put it to them like that, but I have little regard for people who answer phones. I've had a lot of experience, not only with guns, but computers -- it's all the same.
HOWARD J
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I have had 11 Rugers.
One 30 carbine blackhawk--super accurate habdgun & great noise & flame
Never had a problem with any of their weapons.
One 30 carbine blackhawk--super accurate habdgun & great noise & flame
Never had a problem with any of their weapons.
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