Ruger Bisley Vaquero

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I have been wanting a new Ruger Bisley Vaquero and have seen to different ones that i could purchase. They both are 5.5 in. The first one is blued case hardened in .44 Mag and the other is Stainless in 45 LC. I see a lot of 45 LC Bisley Vaquero's but not many .44 Mag Bisley Vaqueros . I will be using this gun for outdors on the farm. Can't make up my mind on this one. Both have about the same price tag. I do have a nice set of Grashorn elk Stags grips for either one i decide on. Any feedback would be helpful. Thanks
 
The Bisley Vaquero has fixed sights, so when you get it shooting dead on, you're stuck with that one load.

People who go for the .45 also go for tradition, and don't care all that much about adjustable sights. People who go for the .44 Mag tend to want adjustable sights.
 
I have a Ruger Bisley Vaquero in .45 Colt and mine has a color case hardened finish.
I feel your pain because when I bought a Vaquero in 38/357 I couldn't decide so I bought both.
I know, this isn't going to help you, sorry!!!

Here is the Bisley in .45 Colt:

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Here is a photo of all three:

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To me, Bisley's have an odd look to them.
But if you like it, go for it!

The 44 mag can shoot, obviously, not only 44 mag, but 44 spl as well.
Then again, there's something nostalgic about a 45 Colt.

You don't say what else is in your collection.

Do you have any other guns?
Any 45 Colts, or 44 mags?

More things to think about!
 
I just don't get along well with traditional fixed sights, especially if on a sixgun that is bright nickel plated or polished stainless. So mine was fitted with pre-war S&W-style adjustable rear sights and a custom post front by David Clements, along with an action job and accuracy work. Among other things. Believe it or not, it's less expensive than doing a Bisley conversion on a Blackhawk and only slightly more than shortening an existing Bisley.

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Craig C , that is a beautiful revolver.

Ohio 58, you do not say what your use is on the farm. I live on a farm and I have a Ruger Bisley blackhawk, 6.5" barrel 50 OZ, in 45 Colt that is a fine hunting gun with adjustible sights, and A regular blackhawk 357 mag 7.5" barrel. I use them mostly in the Oak hammock for deer and wild boar at 30-45 yards. The Bisley blackhawk , for me, really tames recoil with the heavy loads. If you do not hunt then the regular vaquero would be fine.
 
From a practicality point of view, stainless is the way to go. The color case finish is not actually color case hardening, and it isn't especially durable. I didn't have any trouble seeing the bright sights on a now-departed Vacquero.

In a sturdy gun like the Vacquero, there need not be any real difference in power between .45 Colt and .44 Mag, especially if you reload. Deciding on a load that shoots to the sights can be more of a challenge.
How much power you really need in a farm gun is another question. I have killed deer with a .45 Colt, and there isn't much around that you can't knock down with that big, lumbering bullet. Too, the .45 Colt is much more pleasant to shoot than .44 Mag.
Moon
 
In a sturdy gun like the Vacquero, there need not be any real difference in power between .45 Colt and .44 Mag, especially if you reload.

Moon
If it is one of the "New Ruger Vaqueros" on the mid-sized (357Mag) frame, it WILL NOT handle the heavy 45C loads that a large frame "Vaquero" will. You will be limited to low pressure "Cowboy"'type loads.

If it is an older "Vaquero" with the larger (44Mag) frame, it will handle higher pressure stuff.

The heavy slobber-knocker stuff that gets into 44Mag pressure levels is best used in a 5-shot conversion gun.
 
If it is one of the "New Ruger Vaqueros" on the mid-sized (357Mag) frame, it WILL NOT handle the heavy 45C loads that a large frame "Vaquero" will. You will be limited to low pressure "Cowboy"'type loads.
No. The New Vaqueros will safely handle loads in the range of 23,000 psi, which is more than 50% higher than SAAMI standard for the .45 Colt, let alone the mild "cowboy" loads.

The New Vaquero will not handle a diet of true magnum pressure loads (in the vicinity of 34,000 psi) however.
 
If it is one of the "New Ruger Vaqueros" on the mid-sized (357Mag) frame, it WILL NOT handle the heavy 45C loads that a large frame "Vaquero" will. You will be limited to low pressure "Cowboy"'type loads.
You do realize the current SAAMI pressure limits for the .357 Magnum are 35,000 PSI, right? It's not the frame you need to worry about, it's the cylinder walls which are the weak point.
 
You do realize the current SAAMI pressure limits for the .357 Magnum are 35,000 PSI, right? It's not the frame you need to worry about, it's the cylinder walls which are the weak point.
Really? Really?!?! Color me shocked, shocked I tell you!

Believe it or not, I do know something about Ruger SA guns. I went in a gunstore and saw one once. My previous post was more in the PSA category. I'd hate to see someone get hurt trying to shoot heavy 45C loads in a revolver not designed to handle it.
 
The mid-framed New Vaquero certainly cannot handle "Ruger only" loads that max out at 32,000psi. However, as Vern Humphrey posted, they can handle heavier loads than SAAMI spec and certainly heavier than "cowboy" loads. Authorities suggest loads in the 21-22,000psi range. Which, by chance, is also safe for later model Colt's and USFA's, not Italian replicas or early USPFA's, which were fit and finished in the US with Uberti parts.
 
I perhaps mis-spoke, or didn't clarify properly. We use the term "Cowboy" loads to signify Factory pressure levels, against the 'Heavy' +P or "Ruger Only" loads, or the Super-Heavy, 5-shot only loads. Not technically correct perhaps, but there you have it. I, personally, would be leery of using some of the 'Heavy Standard' loads that some manufacturers have out in the 'New Vaqueros'.

A general rule, like CraigC stated, is if you wouldn't shoot it out of a SAA, don't shoot it out of a 'New Vaquero'.
 
Now that we, hopefully, have the nomenclature misunderstanding out of the way...

To the OP, I have a really hard time seeing the SS fixed sights on the Vaquero in anything but perfect (for those sights) lighting conditions. YMMV obviously, but it is a pretty common problem.

I also prefer adjustable sight guns. I'm half blind (literally), and can pick up the adjustable sights much better than I can the almost vestigal sights on fixed sights SA guns. Traditional Colts are even worse.

If we're talking about the same (large) frame size, either the 44 or the 45 will do ya fine. Personally, I'd go with the 44, but I'm a big fan of the 44Spl for a general purpose do most anything round. Not to mention the availablity of heavier factory loaded 44Mag loads if you feel the need for bigger critters, or the ubiquitous 240-250gr mag loads for deer sized critters. It also gives you the opportunity to shorten cases down to the old 44Russian cartridge, which is way underpowered, but just plain fun to shoot. :D
 
You have to love how people twist what you say and then get a little sarcastic too. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me I just don't like it when it's done in poor taste.

I never said you can shoot "Ruger Only" .45 Colt loads in a New Vaquero. What I did say was it's not the frame that's the weak point, it's the cylinder walls. The New Vaquero frame can handle at least 35,000 PSI since Ruger does make a New Vaquero in .357 Magnum. That's all I said.
 
I never said you can shoot "Ruger Only" .45 Colt loads in a New Vaquero. What I did say was it's not the frame that's the weak point, it's the cylinder walls. The New Vaquero frame can handle at least 35,000 PSI since Ruger does make a New Vaquero in .357 Magnum. That's all I said.
I don't disagree with that at all.
 
*sigh*

I didn't say the frame was the problem. I did say...

on the mid-sized (357Mag) frame

This is the same as saying "I built a 500Alaskan on a Ruger No. 1" or "I built a shed on a concrete slab". Describing the platform on which something is built, not that something itself.

Ruger has built their fixed sight guns, obviously since we're discussing this, on two different frame sizes. The frame size descriptor was just that, a description. It is an easy way to tell the difference between the two guns, other than the roll mark, and (I thought) remove any confusion betwixt them.

To expand and explain my original thoughts since inferences are apparently a no go, the smaller frame means the cylinder is a smaller diameter. Since it is a point of contention, that does mean that the chamber walls, and more importantly the timing notches cut in the OD (that's Outside Diameter), are a failure point as opposed to the larger OD and thicker chamber walls on the 'large frame' guns. See what I did there?

My original post was a PSA. It was strictly intended to keep folks from shooting the +p loads in a gun that it would be dangerous to shoot them in. My description of Factory loads as 'Cowboy' loads was a little ill-advised, admittedly, since most folks think of 'Cowboy' loads as low-pressure loads. Vern Humphries pointed it out and I clarified later. My bad. The 'PSA' comment was in no way directed at you, or any other member here, nor did I mean to imply or infer that any member in this discussion would advocate a shooter doing something that was potentially dangerous. No disagreement. No word twisting. Sorry. Untwist the panties.

The sarcasm was directed at you. Obviously. I found the referenced post a little condescending, since the implication was that I had no idea what I was talking about.

Happy now? Did I clear everything up to your satisfaction? Yes, that was sarcasm again.

Reading comprehension might have avoided this whole shootin' match.
 
I'll keep pitching for the .45, because, as a handloader, I can turn the power up or down as needed. Trailboss is wonderful stuff for the big revolver cartridges if you want 'punkin roller' loads, while there are great powders that will get you into the 900 fps range without getting in to any kind of pressure trouble. (I'm away from my shop and data, so I can't give you specifics) Using those loads in a 16" carbine (which gains you very little in velocity; maybe 1000 or a little more), I've killed deer like they were struck with lightning.
Now if you don't reload, then the option of .44spl/.44 mag is a valid argument, tho' you can buy different levels of .45 Colt ammo as well.
The older I get, the less I like guns that beat me up, so those big old slow moving slugs appeal to me.
Moon
 
Power Custom, Bisley hammer trigger, reconfigured transfer bar, reduced power trigger return spring kit, birds eye ejector rod and steel ejector housing .45 Colt Blackhawk.

Finished it this weekend. It had a failure to carry up with the original factory pawl (hand), that was corrected with the kit ! Trigger pull is less than 3 lbs, and locks up tight and in perfect timing.

I'm still trying to find a steel Blackhawk grip frame, most that are available are either stainless, brass,birds head,Colt style,or some other configuration other than Ruger Blackhawk.

Any one pounding these boards having one for sale new or used,or knows where I can procure one, I would be interested in talking to you!
 
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