Ruger Blackhawk .44 Spl.

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wish i could agree with you, craigc. but for now, i concider the renewed interest in the 44spl a passing fancy, or a fad.

the 44magnum eclipsed the popular 44spl back in 1955. it hasn't been popular since. time will tell. quite a few more handguns in 44spl will have to be made and sold for me to concider it more than a passing fancy.

i only hope that sometime down the road i can agree with what you say. i think the 44 special is a fantastic cartridge.

murf
 
i consider the renewed interest in the 44spl a passing fancy, or a fad.
That's debatable but really what difference does it make?


the 44magnum eclipsed the popular 44spl back in 1955.
It eclipsed it in velocity but IMHO, the .44Mag far from obsoletes the .44Spl. It's really the best cartridge extant for the Colt SAA platform and anything comparable.
 
I don't care about "handgun hunting", and don't like rounds that have a LOT of recoil, . . . so for me, I would much prefer a .44 special revolver to a .44mag revolver. Will I buy one? Doubtful. The cost of factory rounds is too great. The cost of starting up a reloading press [with all the accessories and components, then a supply of powder, primers, casings, bullets, etc.] is too great. So, I will just admire them as people shoot them on youtube.
 
the 44magnum eclipsed the popular 44spl back in 1955. it hasn't been popular since.
Not so.... Elmer got his wish in 1955 and "put up" his Specials and never looked back. BUT... Skeeter did go back to his beloved .44 Sp's after coming to the conclusion that the Magnum was too much for law-enforcement and that the Special retained more than adequate stopping power even when loaded down to a manageable 900 fps with a 250-gr. bullet.
The .44 Specials' popularity has been on & off over the years, but it never died-out completely.
When Elmer retired his Specials in the mid-50's it appeared the .44 Special was doomed. But thanks to Skeeter, the .44 Special is alive and well.
 
The 44 Special has ALWAYS been popular amongst sixgun enthusiasts. I'd say today is the golden age of the 44 Special. There are now more options in more platforms than ever before, wouldn't you say?
 
I don't care about "handgun hunting", and don't like rounds that have a LOT of recoil, . . . so for me, I would much prefer a .44 special revolver to a .44mag revolver. Will I buy one? Doubtful. The cost of factory rounds is too great. The cost of starting up a reloading press [with all the accessories and components, then a supply of powder, primers, casings, bullets, etc.] is too great. So, I will just admire them as people shoot them on youtube.

Orion, yes the initial startup CAN be high if you go with top end stuff right off the bat. But with a bit of care shopping for used stuff you can put together a modest equipment setup for $150 or so.

Powder, bullets, brass and primers will certainly come as a shock the first time around. But look at the long term picture. Up here in Canada where primers are around $30/K and powder is typically around $30 a pound and cast bullets for .45 are $140/K. On top of that brass for .45Colt is $125/500. Add it up and it's a rather princely looking sum.

But let's break it down to a per shot basis. The brass for lower pressure loads that you say you like will easily last for 25 to 30 loadings before you see the first sign of issues. So let's say 2 cents for brass cost. Add to this 3 cents for the primer, 3 cents for powder and 14 cents for the bullet. That's 22 cents per round or $11/50. If you want to shoot guns that have bores that start with a "4" that's pretty darn good up here. Down in the US you can likely keep this under $10 from what the folks here have told me.

Simply put although the initial cost is high to get set up it's truly the only sensible way to go for any of the larger calibers.

And even if you "only" shoot revolvers in .38Spl you can save money. I'm currently reloading a big batch of .38Spl in jacketed and cast and they are falling into the catch box with a price of about 13 cents per round or $6.50/50. Again in the US you can likely cut two or three cents off that. How does this compare with what you're paying currently?

Do you shoot any rifle other than .22 or perhaps .223? If you do then that's another prime reason to make the jump into reloading. I like to plink with .30-30 from my lever rifle. As rifle ammo goes I gather there are not many cartridges that are cheaper than .30-30 other than .223. Yet it's still almost a buck a shot when I buy in boxes of 20 up this way. But I can reload these for around 35 cents. And I recently got and fell in love with an old .38-55 rolling block rifle. I do not want to even THINK about how much that ammo would cost for me to buy factory. So I didn't even try. I'm reloading and shooting this ammo for around 40 cents a shot.

Simply said it cost me about as much as a good handgun or rifle to set up two presses and buy the dies and an ultrasonic cleaner, instead of a vibrator type, to use for my reloading. I've only been in the shooting sports for a bit less than 4 years now. But when I look at the amount I've reloaded and what I've saved I can safely say that if the equipment isn't already paid off then it soon will be. And in fact I'd say it's highly likely that it was paid off some time back simply based on the roughly 4000 rounds of 9mm and about 5000 of .38Spl that I've reloaded in that time.

OK, enough preaching...... :D
 
What ISN'T a passing fancy? The .38 Special was one time special. The .357 Mag was once the rage. This recent wave of .44 Specials WILL fill some of the longstanding want for some of us, and be ignored by others. I really don't care if anyone else catches on; the .44 Special IS special, and a lot of people who have tried lots of other things will enjoy the .44 Special for what it is. Most of the good things about it have been stated in many threads, but if one doesn't "get it", then they will either get it later, or not at all. In the meantime, we .44 Special fans will share the pleasure. Unfortunately, we won't have a special handshake, or special wave, like Porsche or Harley riders have when they pass each other on the road (hard to see what handgun is strapped to another motorist). But when we get a thread like this one, we DO get it, and we share a smile, quietly, on the internet.
 
The Blackhawk sold for $400, but not to me. :( Didn't get back into town till late last night and when I called this morning it'd already sold. I've learned a lot about the .44 spl and would definately be interested if another one turns up.

Thanks to all those that replied to this thread, both pro and con. It's given me much to think about, not only about the .44 spl but about reloading in general. Looks like Santa will be getting me some reloading equipment come Christmas. That should give me time to read up and pick the brains of the knowledgeable folks on this board so that Santa gets the right stuff.
 
I did not realize the 44 spl blk hawk was built on a smaller frame than the 44 mag. I can see now how that would be a neat gun. If it was the same size as I had thought it wouldn't see the point of limiting yourself, but I was wrong.
 
Everyone should own at least one .44 spl. It's a fantastically accurate and easy shooting round. It has plenty of stopping power and makes a good hunting round without the blast/flash/recoil of the magnums. Here in GA, .44 spl ammo costs the same for HPs as .45 Colt cowboy ammo.
 
I love the .44 Special and have been using one for years....have the Blackhawk, and also a S&W M24.....yes....you have to reload to fully appreciate it...it is a great respite from shooting full house .44 mags, which I do quite often with the SBH....but I have been reloading for 40 years and the .44 Special was probably one of the first cals. my dad and I reloaded for....its a beautiful thing....
 
.44 spl and .45 acp were the first two rounds I reloaded for, 20 years ago.A
Don't get me wrong, I like my .44 mags a lot. But, the .44 spl is easier to carry and shoot.
All rounds are passing fads.
20 years ago, a salesman at an LGS told me that revolvers were passe. Guess he was wrong, since there are more different revolvers available now then there were then.

The .44 special is so insignificant that the there are more revolvers available in that chambering now then at just about any time previously.
If that's a passing fad, I'll take it.
It's such an unpopular round, that Lipsey's had Ruger build 2,000 Blackhawks chambered for it. Then, they had them build Vaqueros in .44 spl.
Then, Ruger started to carry the .44 spl BH as a regular catalog item.
Yep, the .44 spl is doomed. After all, Wiley Clapp declared it dead about 20 years ago.

In Mr Clapp's defense, I think he was being sarcastic/facetious, and pointing out the folly of the current shooting fads.

But, I've been wrong before.
 
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Bottom line is that the .44Spl is a big bore you can live with every day. It fits into smaller, lighter, handier packages like mid-frame Rugers, Colt SAA's & New Frontiers. With the infamous Skeeter 950fps load, it can take care of 99% of what needs doing without all the blast you get from the .357 or larger magnums. Which also makes it a dandy 50yd deer gun. I'm taking possession of my 4th .44Spl (USFA Pre-War) on Monday and am already thinking about a 5th.


After all, Wiley Clapp declared it dead about 20 years ago.
Don't get me started! :D
 
I should get rid of my .38s and my .32 H&R. After all, the .38 is obsolete and the H&R was a passing fad.
 
Typical Ruger Flattop .44 Special group, 25 yards. The flyer was my fault. PS: This is the half sized silhouette B29 target.
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Hey, even Harry Calahan poo-poo'ed the .44Magnum rounds in Magnum Force when he said he used .44Spl so he could control the gun. But the way he made the gun kick up over his head during the shooting scenes certainly showed he was "acting" for the shooting scenes if the rounds were supposed to be .44Spl.... :D

We're in a firearm desert up this way. I don't think I've seen a single dedicated .44Spl gun for sale new or used in my almost 4 years in the sport of shooting.

I have to admit that if I were able to come across a SA smaller frame in .44Spl or something otherwise unique that didn't have the mass of the .44Mag guns that I'd have no delay in adding such a gun to the collection.
 
Love my J frame 2" .32 H&R Mag for in the pocket. Here is the Custom Rossi M720 .44 Special that gets carried IWB or just straight in the waistband crossdraw: Generally loaded with 165 grain Hornady Self Defese or a 200 grain Gold Dot, 225 grain LSWC or 240 grain LSWC.

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OK, so hold the phone a sec'. I was just over at Ruger's website. I'm not seeing any lighter weights for the currently available .44Spl offerings. In fact they tend to be a tad heavier due to using steel instead of alloy for the grip frame. They may indeed be a TOUCH smaller. But even that isn't all that much judging by flipping between pictures.

Based on this I'd have to say that for Ruger offerings it's .44Mag all the way for me and simply download my re-loads to suit if I want to shoot at .44Spl power levels.

Now this isn't to suggest that at some point in the past there were not some very different .44Spl only guns produced that are lighter and more compact than a Blackhawk. But Ruger does not seem to be offering such a choice at this time.
 
OK, so hold the phone a sec'. I was just over at Ruger's website. I'm not seeing any lighter weights for the currently available .44Spl offerings. In fact they tend to be a tad heavier due to using steel instead of alloy for the grip frame. They may indeed be a TOUCH smaller. But even that isn't all that much judging by flipping between pictures.
Ruger has always been a little goofy about their advertised weights. The difference in the hands is significant. For me, a lot of that is because of the grip frames. The XR3-RED pattern has a lot more room behind the triggerguard and to me, that throws the balance off. The XR3 of the flat-tops is much better.
 
bcrider,

i have a 5.5" 44special blackhawk flattop. it weighs 42 ounces. i have an old model 357 magnum flattop (same frame size as the 44 special, but barrel is 4.625"). it weighs 34 ounces.

i weigh my guns with an rcbs trigger scale.

for comparison, my super blackhawk with 7.5 inch barrel weighs 46 ounces.

i, also, prefer the xr3 grip frame. i, also, like the added weight on the 44 special. just wish it was out in the barrel and not in the grip frame.

now, if lipsey's would get ruger to make a vaquero bird's head in 44 special with an aluminium grip frame (xr3), i would have myself a new ccw.

murf
 
we have been talking a lot about the current popularity of the 44 special cartridge. so, this morning i took an informal survey of the number of items offered for sale by three major internet suppliers: midway, brownells, and natchez shooter supply.

the 44 special did quite well, but wound up tied with the 454 casull in popularity.

in first place, by a large (20%) margin, is the 9mm. go figure!

in second place, are: 38 special, 45 acp and 40 s&w. again, go figure.

in third, surprisingly, is the 357 magnum (20% below second place).

in fourth, the 44magnum and 380 auto.

in fifth, all by its lonesome, (my favorite) the 45 long colt.

sixth - 10mm auto and the 500 s&w

seventh - (drum roll, please) the 454 casull and the 44 special.

the list goes on, but the 44 special seems to be catching on.

murf

p.s. this is ammunition for sale, by the way.
 
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i have an old model 357 magnum flattop (same frame size as the 44 special, but barrel is 4.625"). it weighs 34 ounces.
Your numbers might be a little off. An OM Single Six 5½" with aluminum XR3 will run 33oz. My aforementioned OM flat-top .44Spl is 37oz. An all steel 4¾" Colt SAA .44-.45 will be 36oz. So a 4 5/8" .357 with aluminum grip frame will probably be around 39-40oz.
 
nope, just measured it, again.

what are you using to measure your weapons, craigc?

murf
 
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