Ruger LC9s Pro: Enough gun?
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Om
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Nothing wrong with carrying a .22 if that's what you like. S&W and Ruger both make some fine .22 revolvers.
USAF_Vet
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How about a .22cb deringer? It's all about shot placement and caliber is irrelevant. Think I may switch my EDC to a .68 caliber smooth bore wheel lock. Should be enough.
Om
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Notice you're introducing more atributes than caliber? Please, just stop.
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I can't recommend a deringer of any kind for self-defense. They're just too impractical in a high-stress situation.
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USAF_Vet
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Just pointing out the absurdity of your "argument" by using absurdity myself. It's a pretty classic debating tool.
Zerodefect
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That'll work fine. I'd prefer a Glock 43.
But I wouldn't start a fight with a Glock or 1911 (CCO or ECO) guy. Which is why I try to carry larger mid sized guns more often. Glock 23, CCO. I know I'm going to be outgunned with a smaller CCW oriented 9mm that I just can't shoot as well.But I also have a J-frame for CCW days I only hope to run into knife fighting. So small 9's have their place. It's just not a place I want to be stuck.
I didn't vote due to my obvious Glock/1911 bias.
But I wouldn't start a fight with a Glock or 1911 (CCO or ECO) guy. Which is why I try to carry larger mid sized guns more often. Glock 23, CCO. I know I'm going to be outgunned with a smaller CCW oriented 9mm that I just can't shoot as well.But I also have a J-frame for CCW days I only hope to run into knife fighting. So small 9's have their place. It's just not a place I want to be stuck.
I didn't vote due to my obvious Glock/1911 bias.
Om
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Well you're being obsurd, we agree on that.
The caliber of your weapon doesn't matter for this application. If we were talking 1,000 yard distance shots, caliber would absolutely make a difference. Self defense shootings occure to close for terminal balistics to be a concern.
Deaf Smith
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USAF_Vet
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obsurd? Is that a combination of absurd and obstinate?
Maybe the caliber of YOUR weapon does not matter in this application, but the caliber of mine does. Apparently it also matters to the OP (or else he would not have asked), law enforcement, and millions of other lawfully armed citizens. All you're being is a roadblock to those who actually are trying to educate themselves. By saying there is no caliber is different (except when they are) is counterproductive and flies in the face of the THR mission.
Om
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This is not the behavior of a military veteran.
All self-defence pistol calibers are the same. They are not identical, they are the same. They each do the job as well as all the others. The differences between them are so minute as to be meaningless.
Important haracteristics that OP should consider is FMJ vs JHP, standard load vs +p vs magnum, barrel length, trigger type, grip angle, and sights. There are more considerations as well.
Caliber, however, doesn't matter. Get whatever lable has the set of numbers printed on it that helps you sleep better at night. Whatever you get will be fine.
Om
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I'm asking you nicely to please stop these pannick attacks. Someone on teh internetz disagrees with you. It happens. Let's focus on OP.
USAF_Vet
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Right, because military veterans aren't individuals with different and unique personalities. We're just a bunch of pre-programmed automatons.
Keep telling yourself that. If you convince yourself, maybe you can convince others. I hope not, for their sake.
ahem.
Excellent advice for the person who never has a self defense shooting.
Deaf Smith
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Om
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I certanly hope the data is appealing to others as it is to me:
Caliber is not a deciding factor in a self defense shooting. Training, practice, and shot placment are the critical elements. OP is well advised to not get wrapped around the axle over .38 vs 9mm, and buy which ever he enjoys shooting more, so that he does shoot more. Practice is key.
If it happens that OP would practice more with a smaller caliber and/or a lighter load, the added befifit of the additional practice far outweighs any token balistics reduction.
Om
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Yes, questions are great, but personal attacks are not, pointing out typoes are not, general hysteria is not.
shooter1
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Good grief, this is still going on! It's sad when an individual is so determined to defend an indefensible position. To argue that things, while different, are still the same, defies reason and logic.
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Om
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It's been "going on" for years. Caliber wars are stupid. The caliber of your carry amunition doesn't matter because all calibers perform the same in this platform and for this application. There is no meaningful difference, nothing OP should be worried about in terms of "enough gun".
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Om
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"The author of that post" has.
Om
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"Terminal ballistics is the study of how a projectile behaves when it hits its target and transfers its kinetic energy to the target. The bullet's design, as well as its impact velocity, plays a huge role in how the energy is transferred."
Hollow-point and magnum amunition have the best terminal balistics, which means they make the most effective wonds, which means they have more 'sit-down' power. I advise to OP to disregard the male preoccupation with size and look to performance. It's not the size of your caliber, it's how you shoot the target
Captains1911
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.38, 9mm, .40, .45 all perform about the same when it comes to stopping a human threat. Shot placement and the ability to put multiple rounds in the critical areas at a time when you are under an extreme level of stress are the factors that make the difference. People need to stop worrying about their gear so much and focus more on training. No magic bullet or gun will save you if you don't know how to effectively deploy it.
Congratulations OM! You have managed to take a thread that was about whether one gun was acceptable for self defense purposes & turn it into a caliber war. A person that believes caliber wars to be stupid should be very proud of themselves. All I will can say is, "bless your little heart".
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Zendude
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For self defense, the LC9S is certainly enough gun. You are just playing defense, evade and escape. A LEO might have to go into a hot situation and shoot it out with a group of well armed bad guys and need more firepower.
Om
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I'm sorry you think so. I keep trying to get back to the topic but posts like the one you just made here keep dragging the thread back down. Please feel free not to keep bringing up caliber.
I'd much rather hear from OP if there are any special medical considerations that would affect how he can carry, if he carries while wearing some kind of uniform, or anything else he thinks may impact his firearm needs.
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You ever hear of hijacking a thread? If you want to sit at your keyboard and type the same garbage over and over, why don't you go start a thread in the general handgun section about how you feel caliber is irrelevant in a defensive firearm. It's certainly your right to do so, and I suspect a lot of people would take interest.
Stating an opinion repeatedly, and trying to portray that opinion as a fact, does not make it a fact, it makes you a bag of wind.
USAF_Vet doesn't troll. He shares facts when he has them and opinions when he has one, and is a valued member of THR in my experience.
Hitting your target at all is the most important factor of a defensive shooting. That is a fact. Shot placement would come next. That is an opinion. And then cartridge choice, as the diameter of the hole being created can have an effect on bleed out time if a shot doesn't hit the central nervous system. Personally, I think that is especially true if you are dealing with someone smacked up on drugs, as their reaction, or perception of pain could be dimmed. To say or imply it has no effect at all is to completely ignore basic logic and biology. Cartridge and caliber choice can also have an effect on the speed of follow up shots, which is another very important factor.
Anyway...... back to the ACTUAL topic of the thread. Cooldill, personally I think a 5 shot 38 is all you would even need to defend yourself in most likely confrontations. But I think this comes down to your particular living circumstances, which we will never quite be able to understand, as your perception will be different than ours.
I started with an SP101 in .357 magnum. I lost a lot of weight, and it didn't work that well for me any more as my dress changed. I am in the process of looking for a better holster though. Then I bought a 642 for summer pocket carry.
Then the XDs came along and was thin, with another round, in a larger caliber, and was easier to conceal and carry due to the width. So, I made the switch, and occasionally carry a 7 round magazine for it. The most important part is that it fits my big hands properly, and I get an adequate trigger reach, which has always been my problem with small guns.
If an LC9S fits your hand, I think you'd be well enough armed for any likely circumstance. Of course, unlikely circumstances do arise. If I wanted a small 9mm, I'd look at the XDs again, because it works for me. The HK P30SK also interests me.
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