Ruger LCP And General Pocket Gun Hatred

[starling]

I also like my Taurus TCP 380 acpView attachment 1110116

I love the looks on the TCPs. They are like a Grendel but thinner. Very sleek IMO. One of my favorites in that aspect. Taurus should have never discontinued them

 

[starling]

The Smart Carry holsters are one of the most versatile holsters I have and use, and I have a number of them. You can literally carry in a pair of shorts with no shirt, and no one is the wiser.

And youre right, you rarely hear anyone talk about them. And when they do, its usually in the negative and with comments that show no experience with them to know.

The placement alone is brilliant. Nobody is going to walk around staring at someones crotch. You can carry all sorts of stuff in a rig like that. If you make your own (not that difficult) they can even double as a money belt. Perfect for someone like me as I refuse to NOT tuck in my shirt regardless of concealment easeability. Much better than tuck in holsters IMO.

 

[luzyfuerza]

By all means, carry whatever you want and floats your boat. Just be realistic with yourself about what it, and your actual skills with it really are.

I couldn't agree more. It is measured, repeatable data that forms the basis of a realistic comparison. See if your boat REALLY floats.

Go to the range, and test pocket guns against larger pieces in your hands.

Test times to first shot with both, from the holsters you actually use to carry, where you normally carry, and under your actual concealment.

Shoot pairs and compare group size and splits.

Shoot your favorite CCW or police qual with each. Try the El Prez or a Mozambique or a Wizard drill. Measure groups and times. Compare.

And only then decide which will realistically work for you.

 

[trackskippy]

Smart Carry makes a couple of different versions, and one has a pocket behind the gun for money, passport, ID etc.

Watch what you buy too. I tried another, cheaper version called Thunderwear that isnt as well made. I wouldn't carry a Glock and maybe some other things in one of theirs, as I was able to trip the trigger by massaging the holster with my hands. Revolvers and DA autos would probably be OK though.

I wasnt able to do that with the Smart Carry's. They are made of a heavier fabric and it hard as I tried, I could not get the trigger to trip. The Smart Carry is also waterproof on the back side, so, sweat isnt an issue.

Ive worn mine at work for 10-12 hour days doing heavy, physical work, and never had any issues with it. One nice thing with them is, the gun stays clean, and you dont get the lint and dust bunnies you get with pocket carry, nor do you get all the dirt, dust, and other crap you always get with a belt holster.

One big advantage to them too is, they are faster and easier to access, and to quickly get a good hold on the gun than pocket carry, and you can easily access the gun when seated.

Worth getting one, no matter what you carry, and I think if you get one and get used to it, your going to find, you arent limited to just the little guns, especially if you wear looser things like things like dress pants.

www.smartcarry.com

 

[Speedo66]

Ive spent decades actually carrying guns of all types in NPE's on a daily basis where I would have been arrested and/or lost my job if found out. Does that count as having some expereince?

Some might say it counts as foolish, or even criminal according to you. Not worth it to loose your freedom or your livelihood.

Started carrying as a young officer in 1969, retired after 40 years and still carry on a daily basis. So 50+ years, now carry under HR218/LEOSA.

But even that has legal limitations as to where you can carry, and I follow those. Been in too many dirty smelly police stations, jails, and courthouses to ever want an extended stay in one on the wrong side of the bars.

 

[WYO]

I couldn't agree more. It is measured, repeatable data that forms the basis of a realistic comparison. See if your boat REALLY floats.

Go to the range, and test pocket guns against larger pieces in your hands.

Test times to first shot with both, from the holsters you actually use to carry, where you normally carry, and under your actual concealment.

Shoot pairs and compare group size and splits.

Shoot your favorite CCW or police qual with each. Try the El Prez or a Mozambique or a Wizard drill. Measure groups and times. Compare.

And only then decide which will realistically work for you.

I agree. Most people won't do it, though, because they think none of that matters because they only plan on being in "safe places" and getting in a gunfight at 3-5 yards against one bad guy standing stationary out in the open.

 

[trackskippy]

Some might say it counts as foolish, or even criminal according to you. Not worth it to loose your freedom or your livelihood.

Started carrying as a young officer in 1969, retired after 40 years and still carry on a daily basis. So 50+ years, now carry under HR218/LEOSA.

But even that has legal limitations as to where you can carry, and I follow those. Been in too many dirty smelly police stations, jails, and courthouses to ever want an extended stay in one on the wrong side of the bars.

It is what it is. I suppose, depending on your thoughts on things, losing your life would be better than going to jail. Either way, you make your choices and take your chances.

It was bad enough 30 years ago in places like Philly, Newark, Camden, ect. Just watch the news today and then have to go in there, with nothing but a phone for help. At least you have a phone these days. Back then, if you even found one that worked......

That old "Dial 911 and Die" thing put out by the JPFO back in the 90's was spot on. If not you, then who?

Im not telling anyone to break the law, but we all have to make our decisions as to what our lives are worth and whether or not you are willing to do something about it.

I decided a long time back, the only places that would stop me from carrying, were a metal detector and/or pat-downs. Carrying everywhere, all the time, is as much head games and attitude as it is gear.

 

[Speedo66]

It is what it is. I suppose, depending on your thoughts on things, losing your life would be better than going to jail. Either way, you make your choices and take your chances.

It was bad enough 30 years ago in places like Philly, Newark, Camden, ect. Just watch the news today and then have to go in there, with nothing but a phone for help. At least you have a phone these days. Back then, if you even found one that worked......

That old "Dial 911 and Die" thing put out by the JPFO back in the 90's was spot on. If not you, then who?

Im not telling anyone to break the law, but we all have to make our decisions as to what our lives are worth and whether or not you are willing to do something about it.

I decided a long time back, the only places that would stop me from carrying, were a metal detector and/or pat-downs. Carrying everywhere, all the time, is as much head games and attitude as it is gear.

In the immortal words of Det. Tony Baretta, "don't do the crime if you can't do the time".

Personally, at this point I couldn't do the time. Not even with a parrot on my shoulder.

Blake, who played Baretta, should have listened to his own advice. He beat the murder rap in his wife's killing, but was on the hook for $30M in a civil verdict.

 

[WisBorn]

Man the wheels are falling off this thread.
Carry what you want and can afford.

If you have a a few extra grand to spend on your carry pistol. Please by all means carry it. Just remember that if you use it, it will be taken by the police until after your hearing/trial. And yes you will need to see a judge when they get around to you!

 

[The_Quartermaster]

My reply (post) was not in response nor directed toward you. My reply (post) in agreement with someone else was undeserving of a personal attack from you.
In that post, nowhere do I claim to be an expert; I said what I do and why. Spoiler alert, I'm going to keep doing that in subsequent posts in other threads.
I'm not sure why you think I owe you any information beyond what you may read in my over 2k posts here, because I don't.
This thread is about Ruger LCP and pocket gun hatred in general and my post addressed that; I don't hate them, as I said in last sentence. tl:dr back at you.
I chose to reply to you in a courteous manner though your personal attack on me didn't merit it; do it to me again and I'll just report it.

You have been personally attacking all the things you dislike. Look at your own personal signature, that's a sign of a narcissist speaking his attack hereinto.

If you talk down, then you are giving the wrong impression that you have an authority on said subject. Turns out all along you're just enthusastic about it. Which is great but enthusiasm is still not a capability.

Again, there was no attack but when I see an enthusiast/hobbyist trying to belittle other's choices well it's going to raise eyebrows and question that person's experience to verify things. In the end it turns out that you're just heavily opinionated like the other. So I'd say that this pretty much concludes things between us both now

Good day.

 

[The_Quartermaster]

Whatever. Just out of curiosity, and debate team stuff aside, whats your actual experience here, since no one elses seems to qualify? Why should we believe anything you try and tell us? We haven't seen any of your proof of experience. Just a lot of rambling babble.

As hard as you keep attacking anything I say here, and all the "pontificating" on your part, Im getting a distinct impression, youre playing the Democrat playbook here and trying to put your, insecurity, lack of experience, and whatever else on to me.

I'm just another nobody among the other nobodies, but believe what you want or this "we" you speak of. I know that I don't believe what you say in regards to self defense so there's that mutual thing between us both. But to answer your question, I have no dire need to try and signal to the rest of the tribe that I am the self defense alpha because I know what my place is, and I am no alpha SME. And I have zero shame in admitting it. Can you even say the same?

Please don't project on me, you gave a rambling diatribe which first caught my attention that some tomfoolery was afoot. So that's yourself that you are taking to task, well done, you played yourself.

Your message is given from enthusiasm on the subject and not from actual experience that can vet and justify your opinions. If you don't like having your message challenged, then try to speak from a POV that speaks for yourself without any false absolutes and false decrees on what should and shouldn't be carried. As for that other bit, it's a straw man and a personal attack so I won't be responding to a provocateur's fallacy faux argument.

 

[starling]

Man the wheels are falling off this thread.
Carry what you want and can afford.

If you have a a few extra grand to spend on your carry pistol. Please by all means carry it. Just remember that if you use it, it will be taken by the police until after your hearing/trial. And yes you will need to see a judge when they get around to you!

Seems people sometimes like to argue more than talk about firearms... anyways

It always seemed strange to me the notion of fancy barbecue type carry guns. I have seen people carry some REALLY high end stuff thats engraved, gold plated etc. etc. I guess its my frugal and simple nature but it starts to be like a piece of jewelry after a while more than a CCW. Its there choice of course and I can respect that but kind of alien to me. If I carried something that nice even if I survived an encounter the confiscation would probably kill me. Example... "Sorry Mr. Starling... we are going to have to take your Korth 9mm". Just kidding I dont have a Korth (one can dream though) but you get the point.

 

[rust collector]

Thanks to all who have posted their experience and thoughts without taking shots at those who disagree. Threads with "hatred" in the title seem to tee up emotional responses. Time for time out, and consideration of the time-honored quotes about arguing with a fool.