Ruger New Vaquero
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Whatever Craig, I think you are still wrong on this point.
I'll take my higher capacity semi-auto over your SA, any day of the week.
Oh, by the way, how many times have you had to draw down on somebody in a self-defense situation?
Just wondering if any of your experience is real world, or just range time and theoretical?
I'll take my higher capacity semi-auto over your SA, any day of the week.
Oh, by the way, how many times have you had to draw down on somebody in a self-defense situation?
Just wondering if any of your experience is real world, or just range time and theoretical?
JTJones
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That was amazing. I tell you what I wouldn't want to get in a gunfight with him.
PTMCCAIN said
No offense, lol, but I'm amused by "Rexster", a near-retirement law officer from SE Texas who said in another thread on this forum (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8259685#post8259685) that,
Clearly, not everyone has the same perspective as you.
No offense, lol, but I'm amused by "Rexster", a near-retirement law officer from SE Texas who said in another thread on this forum (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8259685#post8259685) that,
Clearly, not everyone has the same perspective as you.
1911Tuner said:
Nice quote. Sig worthy.
That about sums up how I feel about any high capacity auto vs revolver discussion. If your good, and confident, with your single action revolver it wouldn't be a dumb decision to carry is as your defense weapon. It's better than something you hardly shoot, or nothing at all. Who knows PTMCCAIN, maybe when you get good with that Vaquero you might wanna start carrying it for defense too.
CraigC
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Unless I have been in a dozen or more actual gunfights, then it would be statistically insignificant. I can tell you this, the one situation where I nearly had to draw down on a wannabe 1%-er with a rifle, I sure as hell wish I had a single action revolver over the polymer pocket auto that I had. But like I said, there are a great many more important factors that affect the outcome of a gunfight than your choice of weaponry.
1911Tuner
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Gentlemen...Let's step back and take a breath.
A man who is well-practiced in its use is a dangerous adversary with a single action revolver. Just ask the McLaury brothers.
Cowboy mousefart loads notwithstanding...followup shots are slower, and we don't count on one-shot stops...so a more modern design holds a little advantage. No argument there...but that doesn't rule out the SA.
More rounds is never a bad thing in a gun fight, but we also don't rely on that to save the day. High power/energy is also a good thing...but many people have successfully defended themselves with 5-shot snubnosed revolvers. Not all defensive situations turn into gunfights. Blunt and edged weapons and even bare-handed blitzkrieg attacks are actually more common.
Neither can we count on perfect grips and solid, two-handed stances. In fact...in the case of the blunt/edged/blitz...solid/two-hand stances would likely be the exception instead of the rule.
Let's stop the bickering.
A man who is well-practiced in its use is a dangerous adversary with a single action revolver. Just ask the McLaury brothers.
Cowboy mousefart loads notwithstanding...followup shots are slower, and we don't count on one-shot stops...so a more modern design holds a little advantage. No argument there...but that doesn't rule out the SA.
More rounds is never a bad thing in a gun fight, but we also don't rely on that to save the day. High power/energy is also a good thing...but many people have successfully defended themselves with 5-shot snubnosed revolvers. Not all defensive situations turn into gunfights. Blunt and edged weapons and even bare-handed blitzkrieg attacks are actually more common.
Neither can we count on perfect grips and solid, two-handed stances. In fact...in the case of the blunt/edged/blitz...solid/two-hand stances would likely be the exception instead of the rule.
Let's stop the bickering.
wheelyfun66
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Hey PTMCCAIN,
Thanks for sharing your vid about the Vaquero, and for starting this thread!
I think my comment about "I'm carrying my Birdshead right now" got the thread diverted to a different topic....
The High Road forum, even when gentlemen are sharing differing viewpoints, tends to stay pretty civilized, which is why it is the first place I come to learn, laugh, and share about guns.
One thing we all agree on: we love guns!
Thanks for sharing your vid about the Vaquero, and for starting this thread!
I think my comment about "I'm carrying my Birdshead right now" got the thread diverted to a different topic....
The High Road forum, even when gentlemen are sharing differing viewpoints, tends to stay pretty civilized, which is why it is the first place I come to learn, laugh, and share about guns.
One thing we all agree on: we love guns!
Oh, yes, I love guns, I love the way they look, I like the shiny steel and the polished wood...hey, somebody ought to write a song about loving guns!!
http://youtu.be/-TC2xTCb_GU?hd=1
http://youtu.be/-TC2xTCb_GU?hd=1
1911Tuner
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Basically, what it comes down to is personal choice. If a man chooses to carry a 2-shoot stackbarrel .22 derringer to defend himself with, that is his choice based on his perceived needs and abilities. Who are we to try and dictate what he should do? We can advise, and we can warn...but we cannot compel. I can state that his choice wouldn't be my choice...but I also have to accept that it's not about me. The choice is his to make and the consequences for that choice are his to bear.
Hammerdown77
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I don't think anyone has mentioned it yet (unless I just missed it), but if'n I were going to carry a single action revolver in an area where I felt the "threat level" were a little bit more elevated than normal, I'd carry TWO single actions. Or maybe three.
Around here, bad guys come in pairs (and often in threes), usually both are armed (lots of stolen guns on the street, including some of mine...). I would not count on 5 or 6 being enough to end a fight, and I sure as hell would not want to be standing there with an empty gun if it wasn't. I don't care how fast you are, reloading a single action in a gunfight is gonna be bad for you, unless both you and your attacker(s) have run for cover and you have some distance between you (and time). That, to me is the biggest disadvantage of a SA, when faced with the very real possibility that the fight might not be over in 3 to 5 shots (although statistics say they usually are, but statistics also say you shouldn't ever need a gun...)
Around here, bad guys come in pairs (and often in threes), usually both are armed (lots of stolen guns on the street, including some of mine...). I would not count on 5 or 6 being enough to end a fight, and I sure as hell would not want to be standing there with an empty gun if it wasn't. I don't care how fast you are, reloading a single action in a gunfight is gonna be bad for you, unless both you and your attacker(s) have run for cover and you have some distance between you (and time). That, to me is the biggest disadvantage of a SA, when faced with the very real possibility that the fight might not be over in 3 to 5 shots (although statistics say they usually are, but statistics also say you shouldn't ever need a gun...)
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I shoot + or - a thousand rounds a month through my New Vaqueros in .45 Colt. I love those guns! I've got just over a ton of lead and about 4500 pieces of brass, so I can shoot them pretty cheaply. Reminds me, I need to get out in the 100 degree plus heat and cast some more bullets.
BCCL
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Capability trumps capacity.........
Lawdawg45
Member
And, let's see the guys advocating here for a SA for self-defense do this and you'll almost convince me.
You could start with www.sheriffjimwilson.com and check his column topics, then there are around 90,000 SASS shooters alone who would provide valuable (and much needed) insight for you. It's obvious by your handling and nomenclature that you're not confident with SA, which is OK, but for those who train and are proficient with them, they'll end the fight just like the Glockaholic.
LD
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
He did but I don't see any "bickering". I see 'some' folks trying to have an civilized discussion with someone who is unwilling to reciprocate. You started this ball rolling, don't cry about it now. If you can't support your position with facts and intelligent arguments then maybe you should keep the snide comments to yourself???
1911Tuner
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Well...
*sigh*
We have people carrying 5 and 6-shot .38 revolvers...and people yelling that if they don't carry .357s that they're doomed should they get into a gunfight.
We have people telling those people that if they don't carry .45 automatics, they're doomed.
We have people telling those people that they don't have enough capacity, and if they don't carry a 15-shot 9millimeter...they're doomed.
Then we have the .40 shooters telling the wondernine fans that if they don't carry a hi-cap .40 caliber...they're doomed.
And then we have the 10mm crowd, who say...well, you get my drift.
And closed. If the assigned moderator sees any reason to reopen it, I'm good with that...but this one is about to go down in flames, and get some folks infracted or banned.
*sigh*
We have people carrying 5 and 6-shot .38 revolvers...and people yelling that if they don't carry .357s that they're doomed should they get into a gunfight.
We have people telling those people that if they don't carry .45 automatics, they're doomed.
We have people telling those people that they don't have enough capacity, and if they don't carry a 15-shot 9millimeter...they're doomed.
Then we have the .40 shooters telling the wondernine fans that if they don't carry a hi-cap .40 caliber...they're doomed.
And then we have the 10mm crowd, who say...well, you get my drift.
And closed. If the assigned moderator sees any reason to reopen it, I'm good with that...but this one is about to go down in flames, and get some folks infracted or banned.
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