ruger shotgun

[memphisjim]

Ruger has recently copied several kel-tec designs.
Anyone think there is any chance ruger will put out a copy of the keltec shotgun?

 

[oneounceload]

Ruger can't seem to do shotguns very well; every model has been discontinued

 

[memphisjim]

Maybe this is what they need to copy this gun is in high demand
If it is durable and functions well it will be a very hot seller

 

[wraith56]

I like the your idea, but it seems out of character.

Ruger tends to copy (older) things that have been made so much that are not associated with any single company : mauser style rifles, single-action revolver...
Maybe there is a very conservative legal strategy to undermine any sort of Intellectual property claim.

I don't think the LCP came out until several other polymer 380 pistols existed. though my memory may be wrong. AFAIK there are only about 3 designs of bullpup shotguns and are not necessary being produced regularly.

 

[oneounceload]

The LCP was as close to copying the Keltec without violating any copyright laws

 

[bigfatdave]

Ruger tends to copy (older) things that have been made so much that are not associated with any single company : mauser style rifles, single-action revolver...

huh?
how do you explain the lcp and lc9, then? (hint, see Kel Tec p3at and pf9/p11)

 

[rcmodel]

Even see the LCP and Kel-Tec P3AT parts list drawings.
They even copied that!!

rc

 

[kozak6]

Arguably, there's also the SR-22 (pistol).

I doubt they will copy the KSG. The thing about their other more recent "copies" is that they tend to be based on reasonably successful designs, and fairly affordable.

The KSG doesn't appear to be either.

It is interesting that they never appeared to tinker with a pump action shotgun, though.

 

[oneounceload]

It is interesting that they never appeared to tinker with a pump action shotgun, though.

They probably couldn't make their casting system payoff competing against the likes of the Mossberg, let alone the Maverick

 

[Tom Held]

ruger shotguns

I guess I've been really lucky to have a good working ruger 20 and 28 gauge. I've fired a few thousand rounds through each in Argentina a couple of times, around 1500 rounds in 8 hours with no problems. I know there were some problems with the 12 gauge guns not firing the second barrel consistently.

The Ruger Woodside is a really unique shotgun but so over-engineered that they could not make a profit even selling them for over $2500, same thing with the Ruger Trap Gun.

 

[oneounceload]

Glad your work for you Tom - I had the 28 gauge - was going to be my "go-to" for quail and chukar....after three trips to Ruger to fix the same issue over and over, I had enough and got rid of it

 

[Tom Held]

ruger problems

That's too bad but I've heard the same from some of my friends. the 28 was a great handling gun and even better with the full length briley 410 tubes.

The sxs they produced for a couple of years was also a pretty nice gun but they took it out of production also when they just could not get their manufacturing costs down. You can't sell a quality sxs for the same price as a quality ou and expect to turn a profit.

Life is to short to keep a gun that is constantly in need of repair.

 

[sedona]

I had a 20 gauge red label for awhile.It was heavier than my beretta 12 gauge.Also thought that the safety was cheaply made for an over and under.

 

[wraith56]

bigfatdave,

I honestly don't know the timeline of ruger, bersa, walther+ S&W and others releasing new small pistols in the last few years. Kahr has been selling small single stack pistols in 9mm for a while and i believe there were several smaller manufacturers too with similar products.

I could easily be wrong about Ruger not being at the front of the pack chasing the small 380 market. And i agree there is every reason to be curious about the relationship between the P3AT and LCP.

 

[BK]

Didn't S&W and Taurus copy the LCR? That would make for one original design I guess.

I think it would be funny to see a Ruger pump shotgun.

 

[jpwilly]

The LCP was as close to copying the Keltec without violating any copyright laws

It would have required KelTec patenting (not copyright) the product...but then what's new about the design that would have allowed a patent to be granted?

Sure they copied the P3AT and the LCP is a BETTER copy of the KelTec.

Back on topic...I hope Mossberg copies the idea because if Ruger does it will be expensive and be discontinued. If Mossy does it there will be one in every closet and they will make em for 50 years.

 

[bigfatdave]

Kahr has been selling small single stack pistols in 9mm for a while and i believe there were several smaller manufacturers too with similar products.

it isn't about "small single stack" ... it is a straight design copy, with minor "safety" features added that do not change the action of the gun.
Take a close look at the diagrams, there's more to it than a similar profile.

 

[MCgunner]

Ruger can't seem to do shotguns very well; every model has been discontinued

The Red Label is gone? Damn.....

 

[memphisjim]

I just think that if the ksg works it's the perfect hd and truck gun

 

[drsfmd]

The sxs they produced for a couple of years was also a pretty nice gun but they took it out of production also when they just could not get their manufacturing costs down.

Responding to an old post but I hadn't seen this before...

This assertion is simply incorrect, the Ruger Gold Label was discontinuted due to huge quality control problems, including horrible barrel convergence and launching choke tubes downrange... it was abysmally bad, despite the high price.

 

[Tom Held]

launching choke tubes?

Strange, I have a number of friends who own the Ruger Gold sxs and no problems. A friend of mine won a couple of thousand dollars recently shooting his "unreliable" Ruger at a live bird shoot against all of the sports shooting their Purdey's, Perrazi's, and Kreighoff pigeon guns.

It's not possible to produce a quality SxS shotgun at the price they were selling.