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Ruger Single Action .45LC for back country gun?

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With some practice, would this make a decent self defense gun in the woods? I'd need it against Mtn. Lions or Black bear. No grizzlies here.

I figure you can manipulate the hammer pretty fast if you need to and with practice, plus the .45LC ruger has the convertible .45ACP.
 
With some of the warmer loads for .45Colt out there, the Ruger SA will do its part when you do your part against big Cats & small bears.

Ever seen a Cowboy Action shoot? some of those guys-n-gals are dang near as fast as a lot of folks with DA revolvers.

My next SA revolver is gonna be a 5-1/2" barrel Convertable Ruger Blackhawk in .45Colt/.45ACP
 
Absolutely. My brother killed a black bear with standard pressure (not cowboy) loads in his Vaquero last year. In a Blackhawk you can shoot some pretty hot loads if you want to.
 
My next SA revolver is gonna be a 5-1/2" barrel Convertable Ruger Blackhawk in .45Colt/.45ACP
Exactly the wheel gun I carry in the woods up north (black bear country).
 
Should do just fine if you dont mind the weight. I think I would stick with a warmer load though. A feller near here tryed to shoot a bear with a .45 auto last week and was in the middle of being the bears dinner till his buddy popped it with a .44 mag behind the ear.
 
Interesting story. I am thinking the guy has a .45 Auto:

10:17 AM PDT on Thursday, June 12, 2008

Associated Press

GLIDE, Ore. - Aaron Wyckoff didn't start to panic until his .45-caliber pistol quit firing, and the bear kept chewing on his arm.

So, he recalls, he tried to pull the bear's jaws apart. Then he tried to roll down the ridge where he and the bear were wrestling. But the bear grabbed his calf, pulled him back and went for his groin.

Wyckoff said he countered by shoving his pistol and his hand into the bear's mouth. But by then, the struggle in the Cascade Range in Southern Oregon attracted the attention of Wyckoff's party, and other hunters rushed over.

Justin Norton fired a round from his .44-caliber pistol into the black bear's stomach, to no avail. He approached the bear, put the gun behind its ear and fired again. It finally rolled away.

"I walked right up to his head, and he didn't even look at me," said Norton, 26.

With the dying bear still struggling, a final round finished him off.

"He was dead. He just didn't know it," Wyckoff said. "It was just all adrenaline."

Wyckoff was helping friends track a wounded bear May 31 on the last day of the hunting season.

Fifteen-year-old Chris Moen of Glide, who had drawn the tag, hit the animal in the shoulder with a .338-caliber rifle round, but he and his father couldn't pick up a trail of blood.

They called on Wyckoff and friends to help track it. A few hours later, Wyckoff went up a hill for a view.

He heard a rustling in the bushes behind him, then a grunt. The bear had apparently circled around the group.

"We never even heard him," said Wyckoff.

Wyckoff said he fired a round into the bear's forehead, but the animal kept coming and climbed on top of him. From beneath, Wyckoff said, he got off three more rounds.

Then he tucked the gun beneath the bear's chin. But it quit. Wyckoff, left-handed, said he had accidentally released the ammunition clip.



http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/oregon/stories/NW_061208ORN_man_bear_attack_LJ.25b09ec4.html
 
The Blackhawk 45LCs built 1973-forward can all handle the "45LC+P" ammo, some of which meets or exceeds 44Magnum horsepower. Buffalo Bore has the absolute hottest variant, but the lesser Cor-Bon 45LC+Ps should have enough power on tap for black bear and cougar.

(Actually, cougar are fairly thin-skinned. Good 38+P can kill 'em in a pinch.)

The neat thing about a Blackhawk for this role is that it's lightweight for the power offered, fast to get into action for the first shot with some practice, and tough as nails. Superb back-country gun.
 
Ruger Blackhawk in 45Colt aka long colt.

Great gun!

Triple K leather cowboy belt and holster.

Ammunition? Take your pick.

I use hand loads and other factory loads. Right now, I am using up some Magtech 45Colt in 250Grain, Lead Flat Nose. I have some hand loads for the the 'woods' and have had other factory ammunition in the past that was the same as the hand loads. I am not sure of the 'load' since I do not reload. My husband loads them for me.

Best wishes.

Catherine
 
Just want to add that loaded to the gills with hardcast, the 357Mag isn't totally useless in this role. Buffalo Bore, Doubletap and Grizzly have loads that run up to 800ft/lbs from a 5" tube.

My Ruger SA is a NewVaq 357 with mods to the sights, SuperBlackhawk hammer, etc. Very packable and a decent choice for this class of duty.

Loaded hot, the 357 exceeds the 45LC in horsepower. Only once you get into 45LC+P does it take over in terms of raw energy, and that's not available in a gun close in size/heft to the Colt SAA. The Blackhawk is slightly "oversize" in every direction and is built on a "44Magnum-class frame.

Is the hot 357 optimal for woods duty in the lower 48 (read: out of Griz country)? No. But it can work, and it gives you cheaper practice and lower-powered flexibility in a slightly smaller, handier gun.
 
It is the perfect factory gun for such use especially considering the price. The OM guns shoot the heavy loads just fine too.

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If you want to spend a few more bucks you can have the same +P 45 Colt power in a sixgun smaller than Colt SAA, the Freedom Arms M97. This one easily throws 300 grs at 1300 fps.

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Then he tucked the gun beneath the bear's chin. But it quit. Wyckoff, left-handed, said he had accidentally released the ammunition clip.

One thing for sure, I've never heard of the "clip" accidently falling out of a sixgun ;)

My "grizzly country" (where I rarely go anymore) sidearm is a .45 Vaquero. I bought some hot 300gr JSP loads for that purpose.

My standard handload is 250gr hardcast in front of 10gr of Unique. Not a really "hot" load but warmer than the original.

Also, I load 5gr into my .357 target rounds, so powder measure setting is the same: 1 pull for .357, 2 pulls for .45 :)
 
Tracking a wounded bear. In the dark. Carrying nothing but a pistol. Dispersed. Without even bringing bear dogs to distract the animal.

Lessee. I make that five strikes.

My dad did something almost that dumb - once - but at least the bear wasn't wounded and he had dogs to keep the bear busy!

-And yeah, a .38 or .357 will do the job on a California black bear with good shot placement (as he found out.)
 
Nice pictures.

Is that one a Freedom Arms?

My husband has a Freedom Arms and likes it very much!

Catherine
 
The Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt will do anything Joe Average will ever need to to do with a handgun.
Get one, learn to shoot it, and go forth in confidence.
 
The Black Hawks are pretty nice single actions. I have one in 41 magnum that I like. If you have not purchased the gun yet, the 357 is probably sufficient for your needs, but the 45 Colt is a good caliber for six-shooters.

One of the things I like about Rugers is that there is no hesitation on my part to carry the gun in a holster and shoot it. I tend to have those qualms when I buy nice clean Colts and some of the Smiths.
 
Classic semi-auto failure

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then he tucked the gun beneath the bear's chin. But it quit. Wyckoff, left-handed, said he had accidentally released the ammunition clip.

Good thing his buddies had revolvers to finish the fight.

An all too common outcome in physical struggles (with man or beast) involving a semi-automatic handgun -- especially 1911 type handguns and guns with "drop free" mags.

I sometimes ask myself if man could ever devise a more conceptually retarded and self-defeating piece of technology in a combat firearm than the magazine disconnect "safety" -- like on the Hi-Power.

But just then I remember, "oh yeah, the 1911-style mag release and drop free mags."

Well I suppose if the mag falls out of a 1911 you still have 1 round, as opposed to the Hi-Power, which then becomes a rock. But then again the mags on a Hi-Power aren't designed to fall out.

I wonder just how many swigs John M. Browning had taken when he created a pistol specifically designed to fall apart in combat.

This kind of magazine release has now unfortunately become almost universal, even on European guns. I guess they figure Americans are the gun experts so they ought to know. But there could hardly be a more severe weakness built into a gun that is used in a physical confrontation.

Perhaps the 1911 did work for the military. But like the man in this story, most of us will not know we are in danger until we are actually under attack. That creates different requirements for a handgun than the army, where you go into a situation knowing you are going to kill -- where you are the attacker. The civilian handgun must be a "scuffle gun." It must be reliable in physical contact with the attacker and in less than "ideal" shooting grip and stance.

The revolver, and in particular the snub-nose, beats the autoloader hands down in such situations.

I have to confess my opinions are informed in no small part by The Snubby Revolver by Ed Lovette. In it, Lovette states several requirements for an "ECQ" (extreme close quarters) handgun. I thought I would name some of them here:

1) The handgun must be reliable...not only in terms of function but in terms of reducing the chance for operator error, in terms of reducing the number of things that can go wrong. In a word, simplicity. In a word, operator-proof.

2) Since a holster may not be available or desirable, the handgun must be reliable if stored in non-holsters such as pockets, purses, and so forth.

3) The handgun must be reliable when fired from unusual positions, through coat pockets, and the like.

4) The handgun must be reliable if the muzzle is jammed against your assailant.

5) The handgun must be reliable if you can't get the proper grip or lock your firing wrist.*

6) If you are forced to grapple with your assailant, the weapon must have strong retention capabilities and still be able to fire.

*Lovette relates a story here: "I know of three cases in which officers were forced to shoot someone who had grabbed them from behind...In two cases, the officers with revolvers (one used a 4-inch S&W, and the other had a Colt Detective Special) solved the problem. In the third instance, the officer was using a Colt 1911 and his hand position kept forcing his grip open to the point where he could not depress the grip safety and fire the gun. He solved his problem too, but it took some doing."

When I carry, I often carry a hi-cap semi-auto (Glock 19) because I live in an area where I believe I could face multiple assailants. That's the big downside of the revolver, limited firepower. But I only carry it because I have tested it and am confident that the mag release is not particularly susceptible to being accidentally depressed. But I still know it is possible and have to bear in mind the potential weaknesses of the gun I'm carrying.

The other half of the time I am carrying a snub. I don't like the capacity but at least I know it will work in a struggle.

Needless to say when they come out with a 16-shot concealable 9mm revolver I'll be the first in line. :cool:
 
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I don't have a "modern" .45LC single action. I have a Uberti replica of a Colt 1873 SAA. What I can tell you is that with practice, you can indeed be very fast and accurate with a single action .45LC weapon.

I wouldn't carry mine for defense in the woods for a couple of reasons:

1. Even though it's a modern replica and not a real 1873, I still only put cowboy loads through it. I'd want to shoot hotter loads for defense.

2. Being a faithful 1873 replica, I only carry it with five loaded. Load one, skip one, load four. That way when I lower the hammer, it's on an empty chamber.

If you're talking about carrying a more modern Ruger single action into the woods, these concerns don't affect you. You can use hotter loads, and the Rugers have a transfer bar safety that makes it safe to load and carry six.
 
Man used the 45 LC for a lot of applications for a lot of years. None of the adversaries have changed, man or beast, it is just that now we have faster calibers. Are they needed? Hard question with no real easy answers, but I doubt they hurt either. I am sure in some cases they are superior but 99.9% of the time the old 45 LC with a 900 or 1000 FPS with a 250 grain bullet will get the job done for close work.
I would feel safe with a New Vaquero in 45 with a broad meplate but would probably carry a 41 or 44 loaded hot with an expanding bullet if protection was a serious issue
 
Yes people have used the old .45 load for years and years. They where also not so stupid to try to use that on pissed of bears too. Thats what they used 30-30s 25-35s and .35 rems for if not a 38-56 or a 30-06.
 
I wonder just how many swigs John M. Browning had taken when he created a pistol specifically designed to fall apart in combat.

Before you start casting dispersions on JMB, please consider that any design features like these were mandated by whatever government agency specified for the pistol.
 
I think it's a nice gun, and I think the .45 LC with hot ammo would be fine for those critters.

However, if a mountain lion attacks you, the first thing you will know is that there's a giant cat trying to break your neck. You are not likely to see it or otherwise be aware of it before it strikes. In that kind of situation, I would much rather have something that shoots just by pulling the trigger, without a separate cocking motion. I am not anti-single-action; I own one, am probably getting another, and would not have an issue carrying one for bear defense given that you will usually know about a bear problem at least several seconds before it reaches you (the one story above notwithstanding). But for the big cats, I would prefer a DA revolver, or a semiauto (despite the other set of negative comments on those!).
 
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