Rules for knife shows? Yep

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We know there are rules for gun shows, but there are similar (and some different) etiquette rules for knife show. Below are some over the years I've learned (and that Blade Magazine has put out).

•Always ask permission before picking up a knife from the table. I've had people grab a knife and then when they were told what it was and what it cost literally drop it (literally, DROP). Try to treat the maker or seller like you would want to be treated.

*Handle the knife by the handle and don't handle the blade. Hours went into making a custom knife and the maker doesn't need your DNA or corrosive oils/sweat damaging it until after you've bought it.

•If it’s a folding knife ask before you open it (though most every folder maker will expect you to open it, check the action, etc). Do NOT try to impress by wrist flipping a one hand opener until you buy it. If it’s a multi-blade, NEVER open more than one blade at a time to prevent putting too much pressure on the backsprings. These behaviors can cause undue wear and tear, especially if you're the 10 dufus in 10 minutes that's done it. Once the knife is yours you can flick or dynamically open the knife however you like (as long as you don't drop it or fling it away onto some innocent bystander). PS: If you open the blade(s), close it/them before handing the knife back to the maker.

•Be careful when you are examining an exhibitor’s knife not to spray spittle on the knife. Spit, if not wiped off, can cause “spit pits,” or tiny rust spots. It is bad enough to have to clean the glass on a case 2 and 3 times a day from "spitters", but having to wipe and oil and rewipe every knife they handle trying to find every single spot is trying.

*Don't bleed on the knife! IOW, don't test the edge with your thumb or finger. If it is a custom knife, the maker may have left the final edge to the buyer to establish as they like. If it is a production knife you don't want the dealer to have put a razor edge on it and you bleed all over their table and knives. If you must test the edge use your nail and not the meaty bit. Just drag the edge over your thumbnail and feel the bite of it.

•Never interrupt an ongoing conversation at the table. The maker might be selling a knife and if you barge in and start blabbing away, it may chase the buying customer off. Besides that, it’s rude.

•While it is understood you shouldn't use a corner of someone else's table to make a deal of your own or block their table while you wheel and deal you should try to keep conversations in front of their table short and about their knives. If you're reconnecting with old pals, move off to the intersection of the aisle or the canteen where you can reminisce about old times. Those tables cost considerable money and the knives on them represent considerable time and effort and blocking potential sales is not only rube, but interfering with a maker's livelihood.

•If have no intention of buying a knife and see someone next to you who is interested in buying a knife, politely bow out and give way to the potential buyer so the guy can try to make a living.

•Before leaving the table, unless you are really going to do it, resist the urge to tell the maker, “I’ll be back.” I know it seems like it is uncomfortable to just walk off after wishing you could buy a knife, but "Thanks for letting me look at them, they're beautiful." is better than pretending you'll actually be back.

•You may be able to haggle over price with custom knifemakers, but they know how much time, effort and materials they put into a knife. If you don’t like the price, move on after a polite dicker.

•Using a loupe to examine an antique knife is expected, but don’t use one to examine the custom maker’s knife at the maker’s table. If it’s a custom knife sold by a purveyor, that’s different. After all, you want a perfect knife and need to look closely or if you have a question about the knife’s authenticity, it is possible that the purveyor made a mistake in buying the knife. We all make mistakes at times (and some doofus may have dropped it on the table in shock without the dealer knowing?

*Teach the people with you the rules. If you bring someone with you that doesn't know the rules you're responsible for helping them understand the rules so they don't damage themselves or the maker's work.


What other "rules" are good to list?
 
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Hard to modify that list!

I always make a point of acknowledging by way of apology, the fingerprints I'm about to leave on the item.

I NEVER handle anything that there is not a good chance of my buying unless after I've stated my status, the dealer insists upon showing to me. Basically, I'm touching it to make certain I like what I see relative to the stated price, even if it is a haggling start point. It only takes one non-buying tourist to drop one item onto another to distinctly diminish the value of both.


I always initiate contact with a social statement - even if only a Howdy... and not simply a "can I see that?" or "how much is that?"

These are very personal points of view so I don't intend to have them perceived as rules as HSO's should be. Just a level of conduct which makes me much more comfortable.

Todd.
 
Don't test the sharpness of the edge in such a way that will cause your bodily fluids to leak all over it.
 
Oooo, good one. I hate the idiots that test the edge with their finger. There is no need to test the edge of a custom knife. Knifemakers are reluctant to put a razor edge on knives going on a table because the buyer will establish what sort of edge they want.
 
Hso, I doubt I would buy a handmade knife that didn't feel sharp no matter who made the knife and non-destructive testing the edge in some fashion (usually by feel) is part of the evaluation prior to buying. One needs to be careful and respect their property. But overall your list is just fine. If that makes me an idiot, then I'm an idiot. Looking forward to Blade.
 
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Teach any kids, wives or budies with you the rules.
This. All too often, I see the guests of the shopper behaving in shocking ways, with the buyer too busy to notice how his kid/friend/spouse is being completely inappropriate.
 
Well written and to the point.

Too bad the people who need to read and understand them consider themselves above the rules. They are Special Snowflakes.
 
If that makes me an idiot, then I'm an idiot.

You wouldn't test the edge on your skin. A fingernail is safe and even more effective. It is the ignorant that risk injury.

Think about it this way, you wouldn't take a rare and expensive car out and do donuts in the lot. Instead you'd gauge the balance and handling and workmanship and safely test the performance without risk to the vehicle or yourself. Same for a custom knife.
 
Nope, and I wouldn't try to cut the hairs on my arm. I have handled a lot of knives and feel pretty confident using my finger to judge an edge, the entire edge. Finger nails work too as you mentioned, but they limit the amount of edge you are "feeling" in most cases or you may well cut yourself. Cutting paper is okay, but I would never ask a custom maker to do such unless he volunteered.

I also understand the blood pathogen thing as well as the acidity of blood.

None of the knives I am likely to buy could possibly be considered akin to a rare sports car. But I get your point. Never did donuts in my life. There is one TV show on Discovery about mostly customizing cars and I cringe when I see them do donuts or something similar with some one else's car or even a car they are likely to sell. I view it as TV stuff, not reality.

Hso, hope you had a good time down in Pigeon Forge at show.

Most of the guidelines about handling knives at shows is common sense and about respecting the property of others.
 
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Yep.

Some folks have very, very, very corrosive oils/sweat and can leave rusty fingerprints on expensive blades (even "stainless"). A $350 knife with rusty fingerprints no longer is going to sell. And for pity's sake don't handle knives after fondling fries and popcorn covered in grease and salt (leastwise not until you've washed it off).

Just handle them by the handle. That's hours of careful work that a craftsman has put into that nifty knife as opposed to a microwave dinner that's been plopped on the table.
 
Yep.

Some folks have very, very, very corrosive oils/sweat and can leave rusty fingerprints on expensive blades (even "stainless"). A $350 knife with rusty fingerprints no longer is going to sell. And for pity's sake don't handle knives after fondling fries and popcorn covered in grease and salt (leastwise not until you've washed it off).

Just handle them by the handle. That's hours of careful work that a craftsman has put into that nifty knife as opposed to a microwave dinner that's been plopped on the table.
I had to buy a titanium watch because I will corrode stainless or chrome plated ones. My sweat reminds me of the acid blood from the Alien movies. I have learned the hard way I can't handle a blued gun in the summer and put it away without a good oiling or it will be orange the next time I see it.

I wouldn't dream of touching a custom knife on the exposed metal, especially a carbon steel one.
 
I always handle fixed blades by the handle and not the blade that are for sale. I check the general edge with my finger and it does not come in contact with anything other than the edge.

I might add that as someone displaying knives for sale at a show, some skin contact is likely with customers and I feel sure they periodically wipe the blades with oil or whatever they use. Same goes with firearms at shows. I know I don't appreciate a big old finger print on a Colt revolver I am hoping to purchase.
 
My sweat reminds me of the acid blood from the Alien movies.

A friend of mine that comes from a family of knife company reps had the same problem. He'd leave a fingerprint on stainless blades if he didn't wipe them down after each handling. It was a great source of amusement on all our part unless it was a nice knife or one of ours.
 
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All good stuff.
I especially dislike the wannabe that wants to get in a technical discussion of why that steel choice or handle material.

IOW,dont disparage the makers choice of materials.
 
Good ones and they seem like common sense to me. Can You explain why you wouldn't want to closely examine a custom makers knife at the makers table for me?
 
There's naked eye "close" to see if the plunge and grinds are even or the joins between blade and guard or guard and handle or scales and tang are right or there are no cracks or spalling in handles or scuffs or mars on the the blade (all ok to take a hard look at to identify the most skilled knifemakers) then there's the magnifying glass examination usually reserved for valuable antiques. A maker expects you to take a hard look at their craftsmanship as well as the design and function and there will be individual "non-imperfections" that occur in a handmade knife you wouldn't see in a CNCd robot product, but those are different than flaws and mistakes like gaps and uneven grinds.

I've had makers bring their knives to me in The Pit on Thursday evening and ask me to point out any issue like these because they know I'll look as closely as someone anyone about to invest a lot of money on a custom knife and they may have looked at the same knife a dozen times and not see the same small detail. They can then make small finish adjustments to make sure the customer that's as picky as I am won't have to point them out and isn't going to be disappointed.
 
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" PS: If you open the blade(s), close it/them before handing the knife back to the maker."
Borrowed a knife from a man briefly - closed it and returned it to him.
He said to me, "You were never a Boy Scout; you return it as you got it."
Told him he was taught wrong.
 
Having a lupe handy is not a bad thing on antique or very expensive handmade blades. I'm talking about the $1000+ blades where I would expect the maker to anticipate some close looks at his work.
 
There's naked eye "close" to see if the plunge and grinds are even or the joins between blade and guard or guard and handle or scales and tang are right or there are no cracks or spalling in handles or scuffs or mars on the the blade (all ok to take a hard look at to identify the most skilled knifemakers) then there's the magnifying glass examination usually reserved for valuable antiques. A maker expects you to take a hard look at their craftsmanship as well as the design and function and there will be individual "non-imperfections" that occur in a handmade knife you wouldn't see in a CNCd robot product, but those are different than flaws and mistakes like gaps and uneven grinds.

I've had makers bring their knives to me in The Pit on Thursday evening and ask me to point out any issue like these because they know I'll look as closely as someone anyone about to invest a lot of money on a custom knife and they may have looked at the same knife a dozen times and not see the same small detail. They can then make small finish adjustments to make sure the customer that's as picky as I am won't have to point them out and isn't going to be disappointed.
Okay, but still, what's the impropriety in using a magnifying glass at your table? Is it because you think he will point out flaws that a "normal" inspection wouldn't reveal? And if so, wouldn't the user of the magnifying device know that?

I guess I'm not up on the whole knife world.
 
You don't look at the world through a magnifying glass and neither does a maker. The limits of "perfection" are what we sense without augmentation, so is the limit of perfection the maker can achieve.

OTOH, fine embellishment that took a jeweler's loupe to put in place needs the same augmentation to inspect or fully appreciate how detailed/skilled the maker is in those areas.

So we should amend the statement to, magnification is fine for fine embellishings, but leave the loupe in your pocket for all else.
 
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You don't look at the world through a magnifying glass and neither does a maker.
Maybe, maybe not.

Myself?
I use an Opti-Visor all the time while final buffing and finishing my knife blades and handles.

I figure if I can't see a flaw with 2 1/2x magnification while making it, most people couldn't see it with normal vision either.

I suspect most old knife makers who do fine finish work on the knives they make do the same thing.
At 50 or older, you almost have too.

As an aside, I always carried a pocket magnifying glass and pin light in my pocket while hunting for old military knives in antique shops and gun shows.

The lighting is universally bad, so you can't see the things you could see in normal lighting.
And a lot of markings are light to start with, and often filled with rust or crud.

I would consider it bad form to whip it out at a knife show to inspect a custom knife makers polishing & buffing work though!!


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