rusty color case hardening repair

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evening gentlemen,I aquired a nef 410 singleshot youth model recently,the reciever has small rust spots all over it.I would like to restore the little shotgun and was wondering if I rub it down with fine steel wool to remove the rust,will I destroy the finish of the case hardening?
 
That is a tough one as the case hardening is probably a metal stain of some sort which is a surface treatment. The real case hardening process requires all sorts of nasty chemicals, took time and expertise, and went out of favor decades ago. NEF probably went the stain route which is a surface treatment of the metal designed to look like case hardening but do not know for sure and probably no one in the current organization by that name could help you.

With the presumption that it is a stain rather than true case hardening, try the least invasive first as the procedure is the same regardless of the finish. Put a penetrating oil on the rust spots to loosen the rust and float it. Let it sit a time, then wipe it off with a rough paper towel (the ones you find in bathrooms). Kroil is probably the best for this but other penetrating oil will work. Then, try more complicated methods, I have use a soft rubber eraser on very minor rust left after the penetrating oil bath. I have also had luck polishing light rust out with Flitz metal polish after the oil bath.

If scrubbing the rust is necessary, use bronze wool (the right kind of chore boy pad) with plenty of light penetrating oil such as Kroil to float the rust (rust is abrasive and will scratch the finish--causing dull areas around where you scrubbed without a penetrating oil to float. Apply oil frequently, scrub, and mop up the contaminated oil on a regular basis--like a dental hygeniest. Blue Wonder rust remover also works to remove rust but not sure if the Blue Wonder would react with case hardening. If you decide to use it, try it on an area that is not seen.

Steel wool would be the last resort here and you would need to use the finest grade (0000 at the very least), carefully limit your scrubbing to the rust spots themselves, use penetrating oil procedure listed above, and hope that it did not remove nor dull the finish around those spots.

Might be a good idea to try out any techniques listed above first on an unseen area to practice before "going live".
 
I like ultrasonic too. Stay away from steel wool as it will abrade the finish. Use only a soft copper penny (pre '83) if you must scrape it.
 
I like ultrasonic too. Stay away from steel wool as it will abrade the finish. Use only a soft copper penny (pre '83) if you must scrape it.

Gary and Blue, I am curious if either of you have tried an ultrasonic cleaning on items that have been cold blued or the pseudo case hardened parts?

I have an ultrasonic cleaner that I have used on blued small parts, parkerized, or plain steel, but I would be a little concerned to use this on a pseudo cased hardened items as these are chemical stains that rest on the steel's surface from what I understand rather than true case hardening. If you have tried it, some idea about the solvent you used would also be useful. I do know that some of the solvents used in ultrasonic cleaners can even remove caustic or rust bluing (especially any with acids) and some paints. I am a bit afraid that it might remove some of the finish on the receiver or dull it. I doubt it would not affect true case hardening.

The stains used in pseudo case hardening are somewhat similar to cold bluing. New England Firearms as a brand started in 1986 and was not known for high prices and thus I am betting that they did not actually case hardened the receiver but stained it instead.

You also have to get a penny from 1982 or earlier for it to be mostly copper. Pennies afterwards are primarily zinc.
 
I use the same cleaning solution/oil that I would be using by hand. So if I'm using Kroil to loose rust by the use of q-tip. I put the part in the US with Kroil as the medium. I do not using any other chemicals but those I'm using for the job. To save on solution I will put the part is a small container and set the container in the US with just water in it.

No problem with cold blue, have not worked on any case hardening parts.

If the penetrating soutition your using now is safe, it will be safe in the US.
 
I use the same cleaning solution/oil that I would be using by hand. So if I'm using Kroil to loose rust by the use of q-tip. I put the part in the US with Kroil as the medium. I do not using any other chemicals but those I'm using for the job. To save on solution I will put the part is a small container and set the container in the US with just water in it.

No problem with cold blue, have not worked on any case hardening parts.

If the penetrating soutition your using now is safe, it will be safe in the US.

I suspect that if it is safe with cold blue then it is safe with the pseudo case hardening. Just haven't tried that particular way of cleaning on cold blued parts so thanks for the info. I sometimes use the cold blue on small parts when I need to fix buggered up slot screws and similar small parts.

Got the ultrasonic as a present for cleaning brass. I've used diluted mean green as a solvent for parts.
 
I guess I am old fashioned. i use light oil, (3in1, Kroil) and fingernails to take light rust off, then the oil and 0000 used very lightly if needed.
 
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