S. Florida's Sun-Sentinel is at it again

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These folks just don't like concealed carry and are trying to find anything to discredit the program.

Audit criticizes Florida's concealed weapons program

By Megan O'Matz

South Florida Sun-Sentinel

December 22, 2007

State workers have moved too slowly in rescinding the gun licenses of people arrested or convicted of crimes in many cases sampled by outside auditors, according to a critical review of Florida's concealed weapons program.

As a result, the newly released report by Florida's Auditor General states that there is "an increased risk that unqualified persons may remain licensed to carry a concealed weapon or firearm."

The report raises questions about how effective the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services has been in administering Florida's system of licensing people to carry handguns and other weapons, concealed for self-defense purposes. More than 468,000 people hold such licenses.

"It should give us grave concern to look further, to do a thorough inquiry into whether or not this problem exists and whether it is widespread. And then fix it," said Jeff Gorley, a leading force behind the Regional Community Collaboration on Violence, a South Florida advocacy group dedicated to reducing gun violence.

In its official response to the audit, the department blamed the "accuracy and timeliness issues" on staffing shortages and said it has taken steps to retrain its workers, improve its computer system and reform its reports. The Department has six months to show the state Legislative Auditing Committee how it has corrected the problems.

In a series of investigative stories in January, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported that the state failed to suspend or revoke the licenses of hundreds of people with active domestic violence injunctions and arrest warrants, including a Tampa pizza delivery person wanted for shooting a 15-year-old boy to death over a stolen order of chicken wings.

The newspaper reported that the law permitted another 1,400 people to obtain concealed weapons licenses even though they had pleaded guilty or no contest to crimes — including assaults, burglaries, drug possession, child molestation and homicide — because courts had given them breaks and "withheld" formal convictions.

The audit released this month recommends that the Agriculture Department develop a pilot program to obtain information from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on people with outstanding warrants on serious charges.

Agriculture Department officials resisted the suggestion earlier this year in response to the Sun-Sentinel stories, saying warrants are too fluid and may be issued for a person only wanted for questioning.

In response to the audit, the department now says it is exploring how to use warrant information in its ongoing screening of licensees.

"We're now talking with FDLE about instituting a system in which that warrant information could be provided to us," said Terence McElroy, department spokesman.

Since 1987, the department has issued more than 1.2 million concealed weapons licenses. The agency is responsible not only for issuing and renewing licenses but also for suspending or revoking the permits when a licensee is accused or convicted of a felony, certain misdemeanors and domestic violence.

Working out of Tallahassee, program administrators learn about crimes and restraining orders from data provided by FDLE and the state Department of Corrections. Workers have 20 days from the time they learn of a violation to act to revoke or suspend a license.

Auditors found that in 16 of 36 cases reviewed, state workers misdated some documents, making it appear as though they were acting on reported crimes within the required 20 days when they were not. The delays ranged from an additional 14 to 100 days. Without accurate dates on the records, "the public has less assurance that concealed weapon and firearm licenses are held only by individuals who meet the statutory qualifications," the audit states.

Reviewers also found that in another eight of 34 instances the department did not suspend, revoke or deny a license within the required 20-day time frame.

In one case auditors found it took the department 52 days to suspend the license of a person arrested for resisting an officer without violence, using a firearm while under the influence and openly carrying a weapon.

It took 143 days to revoke the license of a person found responsible in court for a felony battery of a child, although the license had been suspended in the appropriate time.

McElroy said the department places a higher priority on suspending licenses than revoking them, because of staffing shortages.

Auditors also found that the department wasted time and resources by sending multiple letters to the wrong addresses of licensees accused of crimes.
 
I can't stand that stupid rag... How about some articles on how the police haven't been able to stop the murders, carjackings and smash and grabs down here this tourist season...
 
This is the same rag that supported Sheriff Ken(fully automatic assault rifles on CNN)Jenne until he brought himself down in flames earlier this year and is now serving 2 years in a Federal pen.
Even the Miami Herald shines as a beacon of hope next to this hopeless piece of parrot cage fodder.
 
including a Tampa pizza delivery person wanted for shooting a 15-year-old boy to death over a stolen order of chicken wings.

Any information as to what method the 15 year-old boy used in the theft?
A "Grab and Run" tactic doesn't warrant shooting. A machete used to threaten the deliveryman does. They seem to omit certain details that don't lend support to their agenda.

A 15 year-old can kill you just as dead as a 40 year-old. It's time that some learned to recognize that simple reality.
 
Roman756, I think there's a poem lurking in your post somewhere :D . Just too many rhyming words, I couldn't resist.

As buried as I am at work, I would hate for someone to come in and nitpick every little thing that I have "prioritized" to the back burner. My favorite is that line about the courts "giving criminals a break". If the court didn't, under the law, convict them of a crime that would forbid them from getting a CCW, whose fault is that? I think they need to re-direct that issue to the court system.

I'm with 1911Tuner on that 100%. If you are attacked by a gang of minors, somehow you will end up going to jail for assault on a minor, I promise you. If they all pull knives and guns, I'm not going to offer them ice cream.
 
Assuming those are all true (and I have my doubts about many like the supposedly poor innocent child shot in 2002 that i haven't found any more info on yet), what has been the result of it? Are these people going on crime sprees with their legal guns?
 
It should give us grave concern to look further, to do a thorough inquiry into whether or not this problem exists and whether it is widespread.

According to this the morons don't even know if there is a problem!
 
GASP! There are possible errors with the issue of licenses to nearly half a million people!

When will people learn that any bureaucracy will have errors. It looks like the possible error rate is somewhere around one in a thousand. That would be about 99.9% accurate. That is not including the errors for those wrongfully denied a license, but they didn't seem too concerned about that.

If you want to remove errors from the licenses to carry I have a suggestion. Remove the license process and allow every adult to carry a concealed weapon. I doubt that is going to happen any time soon, but someone should certainly bring this up next time the government says they need to raise taxes. If they remove some of their bureaucracy then they wouldn't need so much of our money.

With an error rate at about 0.1% I'd say they are doing pretty well, but that is not newsworthy now is it?
 
I had a slight legal problem 3 years ago. I got the letter 3 days later telling me my CCW was suspended. They seem pretty efficient. They reissued my permit in only three weeks, once the matter was resolved.
 
If you want to remove errors from the licenses to carry I have a suggestion. Remove the license process and allow every adult to carry a concealed weapon.

As we all know what those SOBs really want is the remove the CCW all together so no one can carry. I am sure this will drastically reduce the crime rates in the State of Florida:banghead:
 
"It should give us grave concern to look further, to do a thorough inquiry into whether or not this problem exists and whether it is widespread. And then fix it," said Jeff Gorley, a leading force behind the Regional Community Collaboration on Violence, a South Florida advocacy group dedicated to reducing gun violence.

this says all you need to know abuot the motive or reason behind the article. "Advocacy Group", indeed. :eek:
 
Earth to Jeff Gorley.
No group of people anywhere on the planet have a lower amount of criminal activity than CCW holders.Where on earth do this people come from?
And the names they come up with"Regional Community Collaboration on Violence."
Socialist Elitism Squared.Can the Earth be wiped clean of these vermin ,ASAP?
 
A 15 year-old can kill you just as dead as a 40 year-old. It's time that some learned to recognize that simple reality.
AMEN, 1911Tuner. I live just south of Tampa, and this isn't the first time a minor who "is just a kid who never did anything wrong" killed someone. But, hey, who cares about such little things as "personal responsibility"?
 
Any information as to what method the 15 year-old boy used in the theft?
A "Grab and Run" tactic doesn't warrant shooting. A machete used to threaten the deliveryman does. They seem to omit certain details that don't lend support to their agenda.

A 15 year-old can kill you just as dead as a 40 year-old. It's time that some learned to recognize that simple reality.

They ran a series like this during the summer, which was essentially FOS. It wailed about criminals who owned firearms and held carry permits, listing several people who admitted a drug crime or other incident, then it wailed, "HOW CAN THIS BE?"

In Floirda, certain offenses are eligible for "withheld adjudication." You plead guilty to the offense. The court orders you to serve three years' probation. If you complete the probation, the judgement is withheld. You can legally say that you were not convicted of a crime.

A year after the probation ends, four years in total, you can own and carry firearms again. The Sun Sentinel is totally anti gun. They're finding the few mistakes made in large state with 300,000 permits issued and using them to indict the whole system.
 
This is why I buy the national edition of the new york post down here. Rather read national gossip than the local news. Especially since the national gossip has more truth to it than the garbage they print in the sentinel. :barf:
 
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