S&W 317 Or Keltec P32

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Which of these would be best for some one with wrist problems?

I know there is a considerable price difference and being on a fixed income the Keltec may have to do.

I need something reliable, with little recoil, that is light weight and can be hidden in my pocket when I go out in the yard,criminals are getting bold.
I do not have a conceal carry permit but I think N.C. has open carry.
I will take my chances anyway with a small gun in my pocket.
 
Well, I do not condone illegal carry, however, the P32 should suit your needs. My daily carry is a P3AT and it does have a snappy recoil that the "sensitive" will not enjoy. The p32, with it's lessened recoil is perfect for women, recoil sensitive men and elderly.
 
I may need to open carry with a holster then since N.C. is an open carry state,would this be legal in my yard?
I never did like the idea of open carry but when traveling in a car, it is the only legal way here.
I am to physically disabled to get a conceal carry permit.
Thanks for responding.
 
The 317 will have less recoil than the P32. The 317 weighs 12 oz and the P32 weighs under 7 oz. However, as mentioned, the trigger pull is a little stiff on the revolver compared to the P32. If trigger pull isn't a problem, the .32 will get you just a little bit more power than a .22, but not by much.

Here's a chart that compares handgun cartridges:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm

Given the two, I'd go for the .32 for CCW purposes because its easier to conceal.

I highly recommend looking into getting a CHL if at all possible. Lots of instructors give private lessons for a bit more than the standard class. I took a private class because work doesn't allow me time to go to those night/weekend classes.
 
Why don't you have a permit? The process in NC looks like no big deal.

Step 1) Find someone licensed to teach the NC concealed carry course, complete that course, and get a training certificate for having done so (see documents needed below.)
Step 2) Go to the Sheriff's permit office in the county you live (usually the same place pistol purchase permits are obtained), and have your NC State Drivers License with you. They will give you an application that you must complete and swear as accurate under oath. You will then be taken to get fingerprinted. You must pay the $80 fee for the license (which is non refundable) and a $10 fee for the fingerprints. You must also sign a waiver, so your medical records can be looked into.
Step 3) Your application will then be sent off to the State Bureau of Investigation. They have 90 days to issue or deny a permit. If your permit is denied, the Sheriff must put the reason in writing, and you will receive such notice in the mail. If you are approved for your permit, you will receive a phone call from the Sheriff in your county letting you know, and you will be able to pick up your permit at the same location in which you applied for it.
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It's a shall issue permit and has reciprocity with lots of other states.:)
 
I'm an ex-lawman myself, so I also don't condone breaking the law. Heck,
apply to your local agency for a concealed carry license as its really not
near a big a' headache, as getting caught carrying without one~! Its
your money, and your decision? Be wise, and play by the rules of your
"fixed income" may dimish greatly~!:scrutiny: ;) :D

To answer your question directly, I really like the S&W 317 .22LR.
 
If you had any idea of my health problems you would think it was a big deal.
I don't want to bore everyone with all the details as lots of people are going thru the same problems I am.
Thanks
 
One more question since N.C. is an open carry state can I legally open carry in my car with the gun on the seat in plain view (informing the police if we are stopped for a traffic stop) or on my deck with the gun in a holster?
I think Va. has this same law but not sure.
Also what would you need to do to be legal if you went in to the doctors office,unload the gun and put it in the trunk of the car?
I am sorry this turned out to be more than one question.
Thanks again.
 
1. 317 over the P32. P32 will definitely hurt your wrist if it is already aggravated.

2. Go to Packing.org and look up your state for info on concealed and open carry.

3. Getting a CHL isn't a big deal unless you have a felony, misdeamor, or restraining order.
 
I don't want to be unkind but I will not be able or need this CHL for that long,all I want is to legally carry something open as a last resort if necessary to try an protect my wife and me from criminals.
This is a health issue not a felon issue as some have implied.
I did look at packing .org and I think I have the open carry law in NC and VA correct but i needed someone to confirm my understanding of the law.
I am not very intelligent as most have probably noticed.
Thanks again for all that tried to help.
God Bless!
 
Greeting's bozoman My Friend-

Welcome aboard too The High Road, as we all here are very sorry to learn
of your health related issues. I have NO personal experience with North
Carolina CCW laws, but I would think if you decide to carry openly on
your own property you would not need a license. If NC's governor signed
on to the "Castle Doctrine Act", that should cover you (and your wife) in
the event either of you had too use the firearm for self-protection within
your home.

But, acting out from your vechile may present a whole different set of
circumstances. The first respondent (LEO type) to arrive on the scene
of a shooting is going to ask for a valid CCW license. If you don't have
one, chances are really good that you would be "stuffed and cuffed"
and placed in the backseat of his/her patrol unit. We here at THR dont
wish this on anyone, but my friend facts are facts~! Good Luck~!;) :)
 
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http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/ncfirearmslaws.pdf

I live in NC, and at the website it states that "... it is unlawful for any person in North Carolina, except when on his own premises, to willfully or intentionally carry concealed either on or about his person ..." it further goes into examples of deadly weapons. I'd check with your local Sheriff first, but it appears that as long as you are on your property you are fine.

Although open carry is legal in NC, note that NC law states the following:

"By common law in North Carolina, it is unlawful for a person to arm himself with any unusual or dangerous weapon, for the purpose of terrifying others, and go about on public highways to cause terror to others. The N.C. Supreme Court has said that any gun is an unusual and dangerous weapon for the purposes of this offense. Therefore, persons are cautioned as to the areas they frequent with firearms."

Though at first glance this looks like it should only apply to highways, some of the less gun friendly areas in NC (particularly Durham) have been more liberal in their interpretations of the above, basically pressing charges of brandishing against citizens who open carry if other citizens become nervous or afraid and call the cops.

So in this regard, NC does have open carry, but unlike Virginia, it is very possible to be charged with brandishing depending on the political climate of where you live. Where I live in NC I'm pretty safe, but Durham is a whole other sad story.

For the record, I don't open carry as I have a CCW. Other are correct, it is very straight forward to get a CCW in NC, assuming of course that you haven't been or are being convicted of a felony or have documented mental health issues.
 
bozoman,
Ask your local Sheriff's Office about the laws. I'm sure they will be happy to give you any information you ask about.

That is really the only way to be sure the information you get is correct. (unless the LEO is an anti and gives you wrong info just to keep you from carrying)
 
i would recommend the revolver, because the keltec will require a tight grip to prevent a malfunction.

I am in NC also. I grew up in Durham. I am also sorry to hear of your health problems. I hope your children will also help you in this situation. My heart and prayers go out to you.
 
C. TRANSPORTING WEAPONS
Given this general prohibition of carrying concealed weapons, individuals must be ever
vigilant to ensure that their particular situation cannot be construed as concealing a weapon
either on or about them without being properly authorized to do so with a valid North
Carolina or recognized out of state concealed handgun permit. Therefore, the person's
accessibility to the weapon is of prime importance. It is for these reasons, that when
transporting a weapon in a vehicle, even greater care must be exercised to ensure that the
weapon is not concealed and within the ready access to an occupant of the vehicle. North
Carolina law does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile.
Therefore, the central question becomes: when is the weapon concealed and readily
accessible to an occupant of the automobile? Obviously, a weapon would be concealed and
readily accessible, and therefore in violation of our law, if it were placed in such areas of a
vehicle as, under the seat of the automobile; in a bag in the back seat; or in some other
manner is covered or hidden within the easy reach of an occupant of the vehicle. It is our
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recommendation that firearms should not be carried in a glove compartment regardless of
whether the compartment is locked or not.
While a weapon carried openly in an automobile would not be concealed, there are
other problems attendant to this method of carrying a weapon. The principal drawback, of
course, is in the event of a person being stopped by a law enforcement official, the officer
may not readily know that person's purpose and intent for carrying a weapon. As such, it
is imperative that a person immediately notify an officer of the presence of any weapon in
the automobile, for the officer's and the vehicle's occupants' safety. Another obvious
drawback is that a valuable weapon may be in plain view for potential thieves to see. The
prohibition to carrying concealed weapons applies not only to handguns and other weapons
commonly thought of as being easily hidden, but also to "long guns" as well. Therefore,
shotguns and rifles concealed behind the seat of pickup trucks, and elsewhere in other
vehicles, could similarly violate our law.
As to those vehicles with no easily discernible trunk area, for example vans, the
question turns on a factual determination of when the weapon is within ready and easy
access to an occupant of the vehicle. If the weapon is concealed near, in close proximity to,
or within the convenient control and access of an occupant, which would allow him to use
the weapon quickly, then a fair probability exists that the occupant is in violation of the law.
Therefore, care must be exercised by any occupant of a vehicle to ensure that the weapons
are securely locked away in as remote an area as possible in relation to the passenger
compartment of the vehicle. It is important to emphasize that these prohibitions apply to
passengers, as well as the driver of a vehicle.

This part of the law makes it look like a weapon can be transported in a car by anyone as long as the previsions of said law are met.
I certainly do not understand law but I was told by the Sheriff Office and a local Gun Shop when I got the permit to purchase the gun, that it could be carried open, under these conditions without a conceal carry permit.

They certainly have me confused as I was only going on the info they gave me.
Glad I checked here before getting in trouble.
 
As a long time owner of a P32 I've got to say that it's a real pussycat to shoot, recoil is very light even with some of the hotter 32 rounds. I've also got a P3AT (same gun in .380) and the difference between the 2 is night and day. The P3AT has a snap that's not there in the P32.

Be aware that while I'm a big dude who isn't recoil sensitive at all, my lady now carries the P32 and loves shooting it and will often put 50 rounds through it at the range, but after only one mag through the P3AT she set it down and won't shoot it again. She's very recoil sensitive. My 85 year old mother has also fired the P32 and hasn't found it hard to shoot or unpleasant. Neither has wrist problems, but my Mom is pretty frail these days and has arthritis in both hands.

I hope that helps. Maybe there's someplace near you where you can rent one?
 
"By common law in North Carolina, it is unlawful for a person to arm himself with any unusual or dangerous weapon, for the purpose of terrifying others, and go about on public highways to cause terror to others."

Aww shucks, I did not know my ZX11 motorcycle is banned there!:D

Concealed carry in your yard is legal.
 
bozoman,

While I enjoy shooting my P32 and think it's fun, my Dad with wrist problems says it hurts him a lot.

Adam
 
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