S&W 686 Port?

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Im planning on getting a 4 inch barrel 686. But I was reading that you have the option of getting it ported or non ported. What is the port? Should I get it ported? Does the port need maintenance? What function does it do? What does it look like? Anyone have a picture of a ported version next to a non ported one?

Will my gun shop have ported and non ported ones for sale? Is there a price difference?

Gun will be carried OWB in the woods occasionally otherwise in the safe.

Thanks
 
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I am not a revolver expert but I assume the ported barrel is just like anything else. It means holes at the front top of the barrel, and they redirect some of the gas up (and sometimes to the rear) to help reduce recoil.

They can help reduce recoil significantly, and the main drawback is increased noise and annoying your neighbor in the next lane over at the range. Neither should be an issue for shooting in the woods.

I imagine they would cost a little bit more, just due to more holes need to be machined. I don't think any additional maintenance besides a quick swab out of the hole should be required.
 
I haven't heard of that option being offered by S&W. Maybe something new but it hasn't been talked about on the S&W Forum with I was just on.

You can certainly have any gun ported, by someone like Magnaport, Inc. Revolvers have also been offered with built in compensators. I have a couple of them from the S&W Performance Center and they reduce muzzle rise but not felt recoil. I haven't yet shot a revolver with ports but have one in the works. It is not from S&W but was done by Magnaport.

Dave
 
Also when buying the 686, apparently they have something like this. 686 - 1. 686 - 0 etc. What do all the dashes mean? What do the latest models come with? Is one better than another?

Will the gun say 686 on it at all?
 
The "dash numbers" for the 686 and many other s&w revolvers denotes the engineering revision. Currently, s&w is on the 686-6, that is the current production engineering revision number. There are minor differences between the various dash number revisions, for example the 686-5 did not have the internal lock, yet is mostly identical to the 686-6. The 686-4 did not have the frame mounted firing pin. The list goes on...

Does that explain it?
 
The 686 with port used to be the "686P" version, not sure what is still offered by SW.

IMHO, the effect of a port is 100% psychological. Compensators (which actually do reduce recoil) have ports, but ports alone are not compensators. useless option IMO.

The "dash number" tells the model number. You can see it on the frame by swinging the cylinder open. I don't know the curren version, last new one I bought was a 686-3 and I think it was in 1992 ballpark.
 
Porting reduces muzzle rise, directing recoil back rather than up and back, and it really does work. I've had S&W factory ported revolvers, Mag-na-ported revolvers, and factory ported autos and can tell you that, done right, it can make a huge difference.
 
Some of the Custom Shop model's will have port's/compisater's of one kind or an other. The 686 I, handled, but did not shoot was a five inch barrel with only four inches rifled, then the last inch had a large port on the top. How effective it is will most likely be up to the individual.

For a short time in the mid 90's every gun rag had articles about how if your handgun didn't have any port's that you would not win any match's, and die a horrible death because of not being able to defend your self properly, and worse of all woman would run screaming from you, because you were a LOSER!
 
S&w factory porting?

I was just wondering if this was a S&W Factory port job or were they offering to have the gun MAGNA-PORTED. The MAGNA-PORTING works. I have it on several revolvers.
MAGNA-PORTING will not change the shape of your gun. It adds to trapezoidal ports. One on either side of the front sight.

S&W used to offer EXPANSION CHAMBER PORTING on some revolvers. It added a chamber near the muzzle and a upward exhaust port. It was very similar to the porting that was all the rage on the 1911 competition guns.
It required that the front sight be moved back behind the port.

It really is a redirection of some of the exhaust gas that drives the bullet out of the top of the barrel. It acts like a jet engine, pushing down the barrel against the rise caused by the gun recoiling back toward the shooter.

Jim
 
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Magnaporting has been offered on several special runs for distributors and for the S&W Custom Shop.
The 686P Or 686 Power Port uses the single port in front of the front sight method. The custom shop 586 L comp I handled had a single port with no expansion chamber / counter boring of the muzzle and I assume the 686 Power Port is the same.
Some of the custom shop 627s have a removable muzzle cap incorporating a port, this may use the expansion chamber method.
 
google is your friend brother. Ports are slots cut towards the muzzle end of the the barrel. Works similar to a muzzle brake relieveing expansive gases to tame recoil and allow quicker sight allignment on following shots as well as weakening wirst numbing loads. Dont listen to anyone saying ports will blind you or all that crap. The muzzle flash is too fast for your eyes to even notice. They require no maintenance and dont get damaged. You will have to clean powder residue around the barrel and the ports but it just wipes off. I say get em if you like em
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. Dam id love to get my hands on a new 686-4 but gunshops probably all carry the latest 686-6 right? Will that be stamped somewhere in the frame?

Any negatives of getting the port?
 
Thanks for all the replies guys. Dam id love to get my hands on a new 686-4 but gunshops probably all carry the latest 686-6 right? Will that be stamped somewhere in the frame?

Any negatives of getting the port?
More noise and flame, slightly reduced velocity, gotta keep the ports clean. The do make a noticeable difference in reducing the muzzle rise. I don't particularly like them, but if you're going to use the gun heavily in daytime shooting activities (like a lot of folks do with the 686) then the benefit might work well for you.
 
I have a 6'' 686 Powerport I bought new back in the 90s. I also have a 6'' 686 without the Powerport(along with several other 686s). With wuss loads there's no noticeable difference, but with hunting/PD type loads, the PP gun is much more comfortable to shoot than it's twin sister. Outta the 686s I own, it is the one most folks prefer to shoot the second time around. While noticed recoil is not that much different, muzzle flip is greatly reduced and getting back on target for the next shoot is much quicker. As for increased noise and flash? I dunno, all my 686s are loud and have good muzzle flash when used with legitimate magnum loads. As with all my revolvers, regardless of caliber, ear protection is a must. The Powerport has never been a problem as far as fouling or leading......and even after thousands of rounds, I have never had to make a conscience attempt to clean it.
 
I was just wondering if this was a S&W Factory port job or were they offering to have the gun MAGNA-PORTED.
NO. The 686P just has a slot in the top of the barrel and the front sight is backed up behind it.

It really is a redirection of some of the exhaust gas that drives the bullet out of the top of the barrel. It acts like a jet engine, pushing down the barrel against the rise caused by the gun recoiling back toward the shooter.
The problem is that the upward directed gas provides a microscopic effect in neutralizing muzzle rise which actually is the result of rearward directed recoil force causing a rotation at the wrist.

Compensators actually reduce muzzle rise (and felt recoil) because the compensator has an area where the gas going forward expands and slams into a "wall" creating a forward force which offsets part of the rearward recoil force. The gas from the xpansion chamber does exit vertically but that very small force does not provide significant reduction or change in muzzle flip.

I believe this topic was covered by Michael Plaxco in his book Shooting From Within, and he did some experiments modifying compensators showing this effect. Good book BTW.

IMHO, getting a hole cut in the top of your barrel is a waste of money..... and I do own several ported barrels, so it's not like I didn't try to be a believer. It just doesn't work, and Plaxco's experiment showed why.

From the book, pg 150:

"A common misconception is that the reason a compensator works is due to the jet propulsion of gasses escaping upward out of the port to drive the muzzle down."

He goes on to describe how to prove it by modifying a compensator: opening up (increasing the area) for the upward gas ports does not show any significant change in muzzle flip, but increasing the front hole increases muzzle flip because it reduces the effectiveness of the gas going forward.
 
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Wow, I didn't realize there was that much confusion about the factory 686P(orted) model...and no pictures yet; for shame

Here is a 686P that a friend has for sale...the port is located in front of the front sight blade. It is the top gun in the picture (the lower gun is a M-625; N-frame)

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This is a M-696 (.44 special on a L-frame) that has been Mag-Na-Ported

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I have two Mag-na-port guns. A Freedom Arms 454 with a scope and a 3" MAG 629. I shot both before having them ported and there is a difference in muzzle jump. If I was doing it over I would not have the 3" ported because after a couple of rounds the front sight is black and for me it is more difficult for me to see. The Mag-na-port does help you get back on target but I do not like effect on the front sight.
 
Alizard said:
muzzle rise...is the result of rearward directed recoil...

...Compensators actually reduce muzzle rise (and felt recoil) because the compensator has an area where the gas going forward expands and slams into a "wall" creating a forward force which offsets part of the rearward recoil force. The gas from the xpansion chamber does exit vertically but that very small force does not provide significant reduction or change in muzzle flip.

Great explanation, thanks.

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The Mag-na-port does help you get back on target but I do not like effect on the front sight.

Yeah, I can see that on 9mmE's last pic. Seems the advantage in getting back on target quicker is seriously offset by not having an effective front sight, then.
 
Yeah, I can see that on 9mmE's last pic. Seems the advantage in getting back on target quicker is seriously offset by not having an effective front sight, then.
It is most cosmetic. I hardly notice at all when shooting

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...and it does make the 200gr Gold Dots feel like .38Spl wadcutters in a K-frame
 
9mm if my 629 looked like yours I would agree but on mine the front sight turns black. I mostly shoot 44spl loads and have not tried any of the new loads for short barrels. Maybe the newer loads would not have as much unburned powder.
 
Just to add another "point of reference" photo for this discussion -- here's a pic I had lying around of some of my .357-throwers. Of course, the 686 PowerPort is the one on top in front of the Winchester.

I can't speak to the physics of porting, but I concur with buck460XVR that the perceived experience of shooting the ported 686 is one of reduced muzzle-flip. Illusory? I have no idea. I also agree with 9mmepiphany that the placement of the front sight is fairly inconsequential to the overall shooting experience.

Also, as noted earlier, the big hole used in the S&W PowerPort renders it extremely easy to clean.

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if my 629 looked like yours I would agree but on mine the front sight turns black.
I wish mine would do that, black sights would be so much easier to shoot with than silver ones ;)

The gun in the picture is after it has been wiped down, but it never really gets completely black...just sooty
 
I wish mine would do that, black sights would be so much easier to shoot with than silver ones ;)


I always figured that's why my 686 Powerport had the BLACK patridge front sight as opposed to the orange inserts of other models of the time. Even after a whole day at the range, I've yet to have to wipe it off cause I can't see it anymore. Probably helps the port is in front of the sight. I have an orange ramp sight on the Comped P.C. .44 Magnum Hunter and the sight never gets fouled, nor do the green fiber optics on the P.C. .460 Compensated Hunter Model I shoot. Must be me.
 
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