S&W Customer Service: Sometimes it's good

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Japle

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And sometimes it's not there at all.

On 30 January, I had a conversation with Paul Pluff, Director of Marketing Services at S&W about my massively screwed up 686 revolver. Google “new 686 feature” for the whole story. Note in the photo that the cylinder on my new gun had 6 chambers and 7 flutes. The thinnest chamber had only 40% of the thickness it should have had. I posted pics of the gun just after I bought it in late December and the issue was picked up by over 20 other shooting websites.

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At the end of my talk with Mr. Pluff, he told me he’d get back to me “in a day or two” with something that he thought would make up for the fact that I’d been sold an inherently unsafe revolver and had repeatedly been given the run-around by Customer Service. About six weeks later, I checked to see what was going on and he said he was “still working on it”, whatever “it” was. It’s the middle of August and I still haven’t heard anything. Apparently, Mr. Pluff has moved on and his promise to me has been forgotten. Keep in mind, I didn’t ask him for anything, it was his idea. When someone tells me, “We owe you and I’ll get back to you in a day or two”, I expect to get a call.

This is the most frustrating aspect of my experience with S&W’s Customer Service. The response, or sometimes lack of response, is extremely annoying. They tell me one thing and then change their minds. When I raise hell, they change their minds again. They promise something and then they don’t deliver unless I raise hell again.

I agreed to return the cylinder from my 686, even though I’d been told I could keep it. I sent it back. I kept my word. It’s disappointing that S&W only keeps their word when a customer gets in their face. That is, until the next time.

When I tell someone, “I’ll get back to you” or “I’ll take care of it”, you can be sure I’ll do it. If I have a problem, I’ll stay in touch. That’s just common courtesy. When someone promises me something and doesn’t follow through, I tend to take it personally.

Now, here’s the best part: I posted this on S&W’s Facebook page and guess what? The post didn’t show up. It was deleted. Previous posts on this subject were allowed, but I guess they’ve changed their policy. It seems they don’t want their “Facebook friends” to read any complaints when they’ve dropped the ball and left a customer hanging.

My only resort is to post my experience on shooters’ forums. I know from past experience that S&W will react to negative publicity. It’s a shame, but that’s my only recourse.
 
Some of those chambers look REALLY thin. Wouldn't shoot .38Spl cowboy load in that.
 
Ive only used them once snd the customer service was stellar.

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The response, or sometimes lack of response, is extremely annoying. They tell me one thing and then change their minds. When I raise hell, they change their minds again.

Id be more than annoyed, Id be pretty bent out of shape..

Did you purchase this pistol online? Thats a pretty severe manufacturing flaw. Im surprised they didnt immediately rectify the situation.
 
I had a 337 with the barrel incorrectly indexed. They sent a shipping label, sent in the gun and it came back in about 10 days perfectly indexed. Great service that time.
 
Plateshooter, thanks for the link. I'm sorry to hear about Mr. Pluff's wife.
 
why wouldnt they just have you send it in fit a new cylender and ship it back?
 
The current company calling itself S&W should have excellent customer service. Look at all the practice their customer service gets!! :)

You couldn't give me any of the junk they currently produce. I dream of the day when a gun manufacturer purchases S&W. :cool:
 
I am sorry to hear about Mr. Pluff's wife.

Hi, Japle,

Aside from anything else, though, a cylinder must be fitted to the gun. If you are not aware of that, and only wanted to send them the cylinder, they would not be able to help.

Now the question is what you can do to hopefully straighten things out. I suggest starting fresh with another call to S&W CS and tell them you want to send the gun to them; say simply that you will enclose a letter explaining the problem. They might send a shipping tag. Anyway, send in the gun, with a letter stating the problem (enclose photos like the above) and noting that they already have the bad cylinder (which is useless anyway) and that you want the proper cylinder installed.

You seem to not want to entrust them with the gun, but I can almost guarantee that you will not get service until you do.

Jim
 
They wanted the cylinder to eliminate the evidence they sent a dangerous product to a customer. They got what they want and now they don't care.

I agree, I wish a gun company would buy S&W because they ran a once great company right into the ground. Sure they still sell a lot of guns but only on the reputation, a reputation that is getting worse all the time.
 
The industry is handicaped by having to take vacations in the summer, take off for The Hollidays from mid November until after New Years, prepare for the Shot Show, the Safari club meetings, the various European trade shows and the NRA annual meeting. After such an exhausing grind, they then need to take off the month of february and part of march to rest up.
"I'll get right on it!" has an entirely different meaning in the gun industry.
 
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Jim K:

It would help if you’d read the threads you’ll find by punching “new 686 feature” into Google.

The gun’s been fixed. I’ve posted a photo. Fixing the gun isn’t the issue. :banghead:
 
It seems all the gun companies are taking a hit lately. You can read threads like this about ANY manufacturer regardless of who they are owned by. Even the almighty Glock seems plagued by problems with their generation 4s. My personal experiences with S&W have been very positive. My M&Ps have been stellar, even though both of them are the early models people have had issues with and I love my 3rd gen Smiths (3913/5906). Sometimes I wonder if the people ranting and raving on these forums were as polite and easy going with the company as they claim. When my mag catch became worn on my M&P 9C (at around the 8000 round mark) I called S&W because I knew the later ones had an upgraded catch. They glad fully sent me a return envelope, I sent them the weapon, and I had it back within a week. It had a new mag catch and they replaced the recoil spring with a new one too. They were extremely polite on the phone and it couldn't have been a smoother transaction. My 9C now has 10,000+ rounds downrange and I haven't found a weapon that performs better in my hands. I think my experience is probably more the norm than what you see from threads like this.

As far as the Facebook page thing, do you really expect them to post negative rantings on their page? Really?
 
They wanted the cylinder to eliminate the evidence they sent a dangerous product to a customer. They got what they want and now they don't care.

Or they would want to dispose of something that by all accounts is dangerous. Why would they want you to keep it? So you can put it back in your weapon, blow your finger off and sue them? Yeah, that makes tons of sense. Not everything is a conspiracy folks.
 
Had great experiences with their CS, and my 10xx series guns.

Did they send you a new cylinder?
 
They wanted the cylinder to eliminate the evidence they sent a dangerous product to a customer. They got what they want and now they don't care.

I agree, I wish a gun company would buy S&W because they ran a once great company right into the ground. Sure they still sell a lot of guns but only on the reputation, a reputation that is getting worse all the time.

Eliminate the evidence? No. Get it out of circulation to avoid liability should it cause an accident in the future? Yes.

There are already pictures and documented evidence that they have messed up. They have righted their wrongs, even if they didn't do it with the best CS. But saying that they are trying to "eliminate evidence" is going a little overboard.

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Kinda looks like I expected after reading the other thread. The OP was argumentative, probably pretty rude, and was already posting pics and rants all over the internet before he even spoke to customer service. I can imagine what attitude he gave them on the phone. I also suspect he didn't just send the gun back like the asked because he didn't want his precious action job messed with. How the heck do you get an action job done and not notice that cylinder?? The whole thing sounds like the OP made the situation worse than it should have been. Every company lets a lemon out once in a while. Its not worth going off the deep end over it. The OP learned to inspect your buy before you plop down all that cash.
 
At the end of my talk with Mr. Pluff, he told me he’d get back to me “in a day or two” with something that he thought would make up for the fact that I’d been sold an inherently unsafe revolver and had repeatedly been given the run-around by Customer Service.

Wait, this whole thread is about you being upset you didn't get a little "make up" free swag to "make up" for the gun they've already fixed? ...from the guy who's wife died?

And they didn't let you post on their Facebook page complaining that the guy never sent you your freebie? Say it ain't so.

Yeah, that sucks. Maybe we can all chip in and buy you the S&W hat or t-shirt he was planning to send you. Or maybe it was a free mag for that thing! ;)
 
Thanks, Sam.

Just to set the record straight:

I wasn't asking for any extra "swag" from S&W. I was just asking the guy who said he'd call me back to make his word good. If he couldn't do anything for me - which was his idea in the first place; I never asked for anything other than having my gun fixed without a string of conflicting and broken promises - that's fine. They already gave me the unfluted cylinder free. I'm happy with the gun the way it is.

I'm still a fan of S&W revolvers. I intend to buy a Mountain Gun in .45 Colt (if they ever do another production run) to go with the other four S&W wheelguns I already have.

Now, I understand Mr. Pluff's wife died about a month ago. Obviously, he has more important things to deal with than calling me.

Under the circumstances, I doubt I'll hear anything more from S&W on this subject.
 
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