s&w light weight revolvers

[jgo296]

i was looking through the s&w catalog eyes a few revolvers id buy if they didnt have the lock and started looking at weights
on the j frame scandium opting for the stainless cylinder over the titanium increases the weight from 11.5 to 13.3 (1.8 ounces)
then i was looking at the new night guard series (Stainless cylinder) and noticed the weight of the is 44 spec 24.2 ounces my 296 (same gun titanium cylinder) is 19 ounces (5.2 ounce difference)
i really dont think the cylinder on the 5 shot 44 spec is better than two and ahalf times the size of the 5 shot 38
is there another reason the weight is different?
plus the 296 is aluminum frame not scandium

 

[jgo296]

nobody have an answer?

 

[BigG]

The 44 is much larger than a .38. I have no way of measuring but I could see it being 2 1/2 times as heavy.

 

[jgo296]

the cylinder alone?

 

[BigG]

Yes. Five ounces is not that much.

 

[steveracer]

Five .44 holes leaves more material in the cylinder than six (or seven) .357 holes. More material left behind, therefore a heavier cylinder.
Same way a 455 V8 weighs LESS than the equivalent 400 V8.
They bore more away.

 

[Technosavant]

A 5 shot .44 cylinder is for a L frame gun. A 5 shot .38 cylinder goes into a J frame. COMPLETELY different sizes. While they look roughly the same size in photos (if they aren't sitting next to each other), they are not. The proportions are similar to them, but a 5 shot .44 will be a rather larger gun than a 5 shot .38. Hence the larger and heavier cylinder.

 

[steveracer]

I was comparing L-framed cylinders.

Look at my post. I was referring to six and seven shot cylinders. L-frame.

 

[S&Wfan]

i was looking through the s&w catalog eyes a few revolvers id buy if they didnt have the lock and started looking at weights on the j frame scandium opting for the stainless cylinder over the titanium increases the weight from 11.5 to 13.3 (1.8 ounces) then i was looking at the new night guard series (Stainless cylinder) and noticed the weight of the is 44 spec 24.2 ounces my 296 (same gun titanium cylinder) is 19 ounces (5.2 ounce difference) i really dont think the cylinder on the 5 shot 44 spec is better than two and ahalf times the size of the 5 shot 38
is there another reason the weight is different? plus the 296 is aluminum frame not scandium

Then . . .

nobody have an answer?

Hi,

Since you reposted to ASK why there was no answer . . . Sure, I have an answer. Actually, several.


It is considered an insult, and a breach of etiquette, to write a post in the manner you did. Most people who viewed it simply looked at the mass of "mush" and exited your post without comment.

In the best spirit of "The High Road," let me kindly suggest you do the following . . .


--First, hit the "Edit" button and try rewriting your post, using proper case letters and punctuation.

--Also, use your space bar to break up your run-on sentences and various ideas so the print stops being a mass of hard-to-read "gray."

--Rethink your ideas and reword them in a manner that makes your questions understandable to others.



Frankly, your post is as hard as hell to attempt to read. I finally got a pair of glasses and tried again . . . but can't really understand what you are wanting to really know. And since you mentioned NOT wanting a lock on the new Smith, all this is a moot exercise anyway . . . isn't it?


T.


PS: I'll be overjoyed to answer your well-thought-out questions once you make your thoughts clear and easy to read. I've got several suggestions/ideas on what I think you might be trying to ask.

 

[jgo296]

hmmm well anybody have an answer besides the honery old man

 

[Technosavant]

Look at my post. I was referring to six and seven shot cylinders. L-frame.

I wasn't referring to your post. At all.

I was referring to this:

i really dont think the cylinder on the 5 shot 44 spec is better than two and ahalf times the size of the 5 shot 38
is there another reason the weight is different?

All 5 shot .38 cyllinder models from S&W are J frame. All 5 shot S&W .44 models are L frame. Hence my post. Which was unrelated to yours. The OP compares a 5 shot .44 to a 5 shot .38.

 

[MrBorland]

anybody have an answer besides the honery old man

S&W's not ornery, just constructive. Although you really didn't ask why no one responded, he makes a good point, nonetheless. I still have no idea what you're asking.

 

[Huddog]

Personally, No I don't have an answer maybe S&W does. Besides I don't want to play here.

 

[S&Wfan]

jgo296

hmmm well anybody have an answer besides the honery old man

Sorry Einstein,

It looks like you are on your own.

T.

PS: You need a dictionary! I can't tell if you called me a "horny old man," or an "ornery old man."

I guess I'll take the High Road and assume you think I'm horny!

Sorry though, I ain't into flirting with children. so you ain't my type.

See ya kid!

 

[Revolver Ocelot]

firstly....

PS: You need a dictionary! I can't tell if you called me a "horny old man," or an "ornery old man."

^lmao^

I have heard something to the effect that the additional weight (aside from the addition of a stainless cylinder instead of titanium) is from the pachmayr grips.

but ofcourse that could be wrong

 

[jgo296]

pehaps you should look into the old english vernacular before you assume ornery isnt a word

 

[JohnBT]

The word "ornery" began as "ordinary." In the days when you were either of the "gentle" class or merely "ordinary," parents would say to their stubborn children when they refused to do as they were told, "Don't be so ordin'ry."

_______

"i really dont think the cylinder on the 5 shot 44 spec is better than two and ahalf times the size of the 5 shot 38"

It isn't, it's heavier.

 

[Limey46]

The original question, I think, could be re-stated as: Why is the S&W Night Guard Model 396 heavier than the older Model 296, since they are the same gun?

The answer is that they are not the same gun. First, as the original poster pointed out, they are made of different materials -- scandium frame/stainless cylinder for the Night Guard, aluminum frame/titanium cylinder for the 296. Second, the Night Guard has a full, exposed hammer and a set of adjustable sights, while the 296 has an internal hammer and fixed sights. Third, the guns have different grips.

Okay?

 

[mavracer]

The answer is that they are not the same gun. First, as the original poster pointed out, they are made of different materials -- scandium frame/stainless cylinder for the Night Guard, aluminum frame/titanium cylinder for the 296. Second, the Night Guard has a full, exposed hammer and a set of adjustable sights, while the 296 has an internal hammer and fixed sights. Third, the guns have different grips.

Yes.But I still like S&Wfans answer better.ROTFLMAO

 

[ravencon]

hmmm well anybody have an answer besides the honery old man

Well, I see your writing skills and attitude haven't improved. You just can't help some people.

 

[Marshall]

Sadly, this was pretty damn funny.

 

[Limey46]

Sort of like three blind mice trying to cut each other's toenails with a wrench. Very entertaining in a horrible kind of way. And yeah, I too liked S&Wfan's answer.

 

[jaydubya]

Ummm, cutting through spelling, syntax and word history, what was the question? Something about revolving pistols as I recall. Just re-read the first post. Umm, what was the question?
Cordially, Jack

 

[Technosavant]

The question was why did a 5 shot .44 weigh much more than a 5 shot .38?

The answer is because a 5 shot .38 is a J frame, which is considerably smaller than a 5 shot .44, which is an L frame.

But I don't think anybody paid attention when I said that the first time, except one guy who thought I was referring to his question and not the first one.