S&W M&P Roundcount and Notes
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M&P 9MM...
WWB 115G: 400 rds.
Absolutely 0 problems.
Really enjoy shooting this pistol.
WWB 115G: 400 rds.
Absolutely 0 problems.
Really enjoy shooting this pistol.
threadbare
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Fullsize M&P 9---1500 rounds of Remington UMC 115 gr. FMJ-0 failures
60 rounds Federal Hydrashok-0 failures
150 rounds WWB 115 gr FMJ-0 failures
Compact M&P 9-750 rounds Rem. UMC 115 gr. FMJ-0 failures
100 rounds Independance 115 gr. FMJ-0 failures
20 rounds Wolf 115 gr FMJ-0 failures
20 rounds Speer Gold Dot-0 failures
60 rounds Federal Hydrashok-0 failures
150 rounds WWB 115 gr FMJ-0 failures
Compact M&P 9-750 rounds Rem. UMC 115 gr. FMJ-0 failures
100 rounds Independance 115 gr. FMJ-0 failures
20 rounds Wolf 115 gr FMJ-0 failures
20 rounds Speer Gold Dot-0 failures
SWMP40
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1225 rounds in my MP 40
with no FTF mostly Blazen Brass
with no FTF mostly Blazen Brass
HeedJSU
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Other than the finally corrected (I hope) mag drop issue, I've had 1100 rounds failure free from my M&P 40c. 600 WWB, one 50 count of blazer brass, 400 R-P, and 50 "other" rounds. (Federal HST, EFMJ)
Justin
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HeedJSU
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I'm not LEO, but I had a hour long range session with one of the LEO reps yesterday who replaced my catch (the second time) with the newly redesigned piece. It fits A LOT more snugly than the old release. We ran through 400 rounds on S&W's dime to make sure it was working. (my others showed issue at 200 rounds) He also pulled out two of the M&P-15's and one of the 45's and let me burn some ammo through those too. Superb human being.
Justin
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texagun
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Not only are they reliable and accurate....they are beautiful too!
MikePGS
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Nice thread. I'm actually contemplating getting a glock 23 (as well as like fifty million other guns :Grumbles but every review i've read about the M&P 40 seems encouraging. Not only that but the price is significantly less (on buds gun shop at least) so heres my question(s). Is it small enough to be concealed? I know that any gun could theoretically be concealed, but is there anything in particular thats especially bulky about this particular gun that might make using it as a CCW piece a bad idea? Also how supported is the barrel? Do they particularly mention +P ammo in the owners manual or do they avoid the topic entirely? Thanks in advance.
but every review i've read about the M&P 40 seems encouraging. Not only that but the price is significantly less (on buds gun shop at least) so heres my question(s). Is it small enough to be concealed? I know that any gun could theoretically be concealed, but is there anything in particular thats especially bulky about this particular gun that might make using it as a CCW piece a bad idea? Also how supported is the barrel? Do they particularly mention +P ammo in the owners manual or do they avoid the topic entirely? Thanks in advance.1. Dunno about specific mentions of +P ammo in the manual, but I assure you, it is ok to shoot.
2. AFAIK the chamber is fully supported. I've noted no bulges in the cases like I have with my Glock 20.
3. CCWing with a fullsize would be harder than a compact, but it's not bad. The only dimensions that change between M&P Fullsize and M&P Compact are the barrel length, the grip length, and the beavertail (eliminated on the compact). I'm reasonably slender, so the fullsize gun does not quite disappear under an untucked shirt, but it is not hard at all to conceal if you wear an unbuttoned shirt over a T, or a jacket.
Mike
2. AFAIK the chamber is fully supported. I've noted no bulges in the cases like I have with my Glock 20.
3. CCWing with a fullsize would be harder than a compact, but it's not bad. The only dimensions that change between M&P Fullsize and M&P Compact are the barrel length, the grip length, and the beavertail (eliminated on the compact). I'm reasonably slender, so the fullsize gun does not quite disappear under an untucked shirt, but it is not hard at all to conceal if you wear an unbuttoned shirt over a T, or a jacket.
Mike
HeedJSU
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IIRC, +p is ok via the manual, but +p+ is to be avoided.
And like coronach said, I believe the chamber is fully supported. you can't see any space like you can with a glock barrel, and I've noticed no swelling with hot loads and 180 grainers. My compact 40 conceals well, but i wouldn't want to carry anything larger.
Justin
And like coronach said, I believe the chamber is fully supported. you can't see any space like you can with a glock barrel, and I've noticed no swelling with hot loads and 180 grainers. My compact 40 conceals well, but i wouldn't want to carry anything larger.
Justin
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Question for Mike or anyone else--
I've fired a few hundred rounds through the M&P 40c, 9c, and 40 full-sized and really like the gun. Because of this, I'm thinking about buying one. I found an online seller who has some that are not equipped have mag safeties, and these guns are quite a bit cheaper than those M&Ps the seller has that do have mag safeties.
Is there any reason you can think of to warrant paying the extra $100 for an M&P that does have a mag safety (the gun will sometimes be used as a CCW)?
I've fired a few hundred rounds through the M&P 40c, 9c, and 40 full-sized and really like the gun. Because of this, I'm thinking about buying one. I found an online seller who has some that are not equipped have mag safeties, and these guns are quite a bit cheaper than those M&Ps the seller has that do have mag safeties.
Is there any reason you can think of to warrant paying the extra $100 for an M&P that does have a mag safety (the gun will sometimes be used as a CCW)?
That's a Ford v. Chevy question if ever there was one. My gut response is "$100? Heck no!", but I'm completely ambivalent about the mag safety issue. Add in a C-note and I'm sold on not having one.
I bet you that the PDs in the area that approve the M&P require mag safeties, and so this dealer has a bunch in stock that officers cannot use as their OD/BUGs, and so he is willing to make deal to move inventory.
Some people strongly prefer no mag safety, and are willing to pay more for that configuration. One otherthing you need to ask (both yourself and the dealer) is about the dreaded Lock. Do the guns have them, and are you willing to carry a gun with The Lock? (For $100? I would...I see The Lock as non-issue mechanically, and only an annoyance if it is forced upon you without a choice)
Mike
I bet you that the PDs in the area that approve the M&P require mag safeties, and so this dealer has a bunch in stock that officers cannot use as their OD/BUGs, and so he is willing to make deal to move inventory.
Some people strongly prefer no mag safety, and are willing to pay more for that configuration. One otherthing you need to ask (both yourself and the dealer) is about the dreaded Lock. Do the guns have them, and are you willing to carry a gun with The Lock? (For $100? I would...I see The Lock as non-issue mechanically, and only an annoyance if it is forced upon you without a choice)
Mike
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I have been trying to decide between this gun in 9MM or .40 and an XD in the same caliber... What do you guys think? They both fit my hand really well but I am yet to shoot either...
revolverman357
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My M&P9 full size will not run Winchester white box at all. Always fails to extract 3 times per magazine. S&B, Remington UMC, and my own handloads run just fine. Don't know what is wrong with the combination of this gun and WWB.
The gun has 700 rounds through it.
200 WWB
500 Rem, S&B, Handloads
The gun has 700 rounds through it.
200 WWB
500 Rem, S&B, Handloads
sm
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I don't think it is the gun.
1. Can you measure these WWB?
2. Where did you buy these WWB?
axeman_g
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I have an update on my M&P9.
I had a trigger job done by my trusted smith this past week. It really reduced the creep, staging and roughness of the OEM trigger. Poundage is spot on 4# by the smiths scale, the reset is minimal now. A very nice trigger.
I went to range and ran 200 rds of Fiocchi 115g through it. The accuracy was GREATLY helped my the trigger job. I was able to actually hit paper and some bulls at 25 yds now. All shots were on target and 25% were within the 8 ring. Yes, I am not a good shot. The really excellent side effect was that the gun was shooting low before as I was probably crunching the trigger to much and pushing the front sight down. The gun no longer shoots low as the trigger release is very crisp.
Now here is the issue.... I had 5 FTF.... primers were struck hard, it's look as if the rounds were going to be duds, but once reinserteded in the mag all rounds fired. I have heard that Fiocchi ammo uses a really hard primer... does anyone know if that is true?
I had a trigger job done by my trusted smith this past week. It really reduced the creep, staging and roughness of the OEM trigger. Poundage is spot on 4# by the smiths scale, the reset is minimal now. A very nice trigger.
I went to range and ran 200 rds of Fiocchi 115g through it. The accuracy was GREATLY helped my the trigger job. I was able to actually hit paper and some bulls at 25 yds now. All shots were on target and 25% were within the 8 ring. Yes, I am not a good shot. The really excellent side effect was that the gun was shooting low before as I was probably crunching the trigger to much and pushing the front sight down. The gun no longer shoots low as the trigger release is very crisp.
Now here is the issue.... I had 5 FTF.... primers were struck hard, it's look as if the rounds were going to be duds, but once reinserteded in the mag all rounds fired. I have heard that Fiocchi ammo uses a really hard primer... does anyone know if that is true?
Anyone wanna pull their mag release and snap a pic? I'm curious to see if anyone's experiencing abnormal wear.
Here's mine:
Other than that, I love the gun. 786rds and no problems, so far. I'm just waiting for my mag to start dropping.
Here's mine:
Other than that, I love the gun. 786rds and no problems, so far. I'm just waiting for my mag to start dropping.
Docgmt
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M&P 40 full size
I have fired 350 rounds with no misfires using mostly Winchester 185Gr ( Cheap ) also a mix of Rangers 165Gr and Hydroshock 135Gr. The only issue has been three no fires because the magazine was not releasing the safety, although it was locked in, it took a smack to the bottom of the magazine to get the safety to disengage. This happen with both of the factory mags that came with the pistol. All of this with the first 150 rounds and has not occurred with the three new magazines purchase after I bought the pistol.
I have fired 350 rounds with no misfires using mostly Winchester 185Gr ( Cheap ) also a mix of Rangers 165Gr and Hydroshock 135Gr. The only issue has been three no fires because the magazine was not releasing the safety, although it was locked in, it took a smack to the bottom of the magazine to get the safety to disengage. This happen with both of the factory mags that came with the pistol. All of this with the first 150 rounds and has not occurred with the three new magazines purchase after I bought the pistol.
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Hmm! THAT is a concern. The magazine disconnect was not disengaging with a fully inserted magazine? If you look at how the disconnect works, there is pretty much no way to have a magazine inserted fully and have the disconnect not be disengaged, assuming that the disconnect is working properly. That might sound obvious and/or redundant, but what I'm saying is that it should not be a magazine issue. New mag, old mag, OEM mag, aftermarket mag, none of that should matter.
I would keep an eye on it, at the very least. I would also consider calling S&W and see what they say.
Mike
I would keep an eye on it, at the very least. I would also consider calling S&W and see what they say.
Mike
moxie
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Interesting thread. Just came across it. You and others have confirmed, again, that Fiocchi is either crummy or worst or quirky at best. I wouldn't count its failures against the gun's reliability. Interesting that Blazer brass gave some trouble. Usually it's the aluminum cases that some guns don't like. And the thread has generated some WWB negativity too. That's par.
If you're looking at my malfunctions, they were with aluminum-cased Blazer. The Blazer Brass has been flawless.
Fiocchi is iffy, but it is range ammo, so I don't mind too much, except for that stupid FMJTC. That was annoying, especially when I had several hundred rounds of it, and no other guns in .40 S&W.
Mike
Fiocchi is iffy, but it is range ammo, so I don't mind too much, except for that stupid FMJTC. That was annoying, especially when I had several hundred rounds of it, and no other guns in .40 S&W.
Mike
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