moxie
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S&W M&P Roundcount and Notes
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loloy
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After an extensive review of pros and cons from different forums and threads finally M&P 9mm is my first and handgun of choice. Hopefully it will arrive tomorrow after almost 2 weeks of waiting time.
I just want to know specially from your extensive first hand experience if this firearm can withstand reloads. in my place imported cartridges like remington and winchester are almost 10x more costly than reloads offered by my dealer. Obviously, high end costly ammo is a limiting factor as far as target shooting is concerned although i put premium to its cost efficiency without compromising the longevity of my firearm.
what are other particular measures that must be considered regarding the use of reloads?
I just want to know specially from your extensive first hand experience if this firearm can withstand reloads. in my place imported cartridges like remington and winchester are almost 10x more costly than reloads offered by my dealer. Obviously, high end costly ammo is a limiting factor as far as target shooting is concerned although i put premium to its cost efficiency without compromising the longevity of my firearm.
what are other particular measures that must be considered regarding the use of reloads?
loloy
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heavy-metalled or leadfree cartridges?
have you heard of any handgun enthusiasts suffering from pb poisoning secondary to exposure to fume inhalation?
have you heard of any handgun enthusiasts suffering from pb poisoning secondary to exposure to fume inhalation?
gtmtnbiker98
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My M&P9 round count:
140 WWB = 3 failures to extract
100 American Eagle = 0 issues
150 Black Hills +P = 0 issues
100 Blazer Brass = 0 issues
490 total rounds with 3 failures to extract. My pistol does not like WWB. I will no longer be purchasing WWB for my M&Ps. As for my M&P40, haven't shot it yet, it's still NIB - just purchased on Monday.
140 WWB = 3 failures to extract
100 American Eagle = 0 issues
150 Black Hills +P = 0 issues
100 Blazer Brass = 0 issues
490 total rounds with 3 failures to extract. My pistol does not like WWB. I will no longer be purchasing WWB for my M&Ps. As for my M&P40, haven't shot it yet, it's still NIB - just purchased on Monday.
Interestingly enough, I just experienced two failures to extract with Ultramax ammo in my 40c. I'm not sure if it was the gun, the ammo, or the fact that I was working on rebuilding my shooting grip on both of them (I finally have a duty gun that I can shoot straight-thumbs).
I'll most certainly be keeping an eye on that.
Mike
I'll most certainly be keeping an eye on that.
Mike
Anna's Dad
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I have about 300 rounds of Blazer Brass through mine without a hiccup.
M&P Observations
Hello All,
I just picked up an M&P a few weeks ago. I really like the gun so far, but have run across a few issues some of you may be able to help me with.
(now keep in mind that I am realatively new to pistol shooting, so if these are stupid questions it's cause I am a 'noob' as they say)
First off, is is normal that certain types of ammo fail to lock the slide back when the mag is empty? I have the same problem with my Para 1911. In either gun the heavier 'ball' ammunition locks the slide back, but when I use a lighter ammo, especially with a flat nose, the slide fails to lock back about half the time.
Secondly, when the slide is locked back, inserting a new mag in one smooth motion tends to unlock the slide. On my 1911 I am used to inserting a new mag and having to hit the mag release. I am not slamming the mag home with my palm, like I said, it's just a smooth motion. If I insert slower it stays locked back. Someting I am doign wrong? Something I should have looked at? As long as my finger stays off the trigger this won't result in 'slamfire' will it? (Yeah, I've heard that thrown around, don't know if it has any merit.)
Thanks for your time!
Regards
Derek
(p.s. with reference to the 'roundcount and notes' theme. At least 500 rounds so far, and the slide not locking back is the only problem I have had. Seem realatively minor. It has never failed to fire / feed / eject)
Hello All,
I just picked up an M&P a few weeks ago. I really like the gun so far, but have run across a few issues some of you may be able to help me with.
(now keep in mind that I am realatively new to pistol shooting, so if these are stupid questions it's cause I am a 'noob' as they say)
First off, is is normal that certain types of ammo fail to lock the slide back when the mag is empty? I have the same problem with my Para 1911. In either gun the heavier 'ball' ammunition locks the slide back, but when I use a lighter ammo, especially with a flat nose, the slide fails to lock back about half the time.
Secondly, when the slide is locked back, inserting a new mag in one smooth motion tends to unlock the slide. On my 1911 I am used to inserting a new mag and having to hit the mag release. I am not slamming the mag home with my palm, like I said, it's just a smooth motion. If I insert slower it stays locked back. Someting I am doign wrong? Something I should have looked at? As long as my finger stays off the trigger this won't result in 'slamfire' will it? (Yeah, I've heard that thrown around, don't know if it has any merit.)
Thanks for your time!
Regards
Derek
(p.s. with reference to the 'roundcount and notes' theme. At least 500 rounds so far, and the slide not locking back is the only problem I have had. Seem realatively minor. It has never failed to fire / feed / eject)
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a 99.75% ratio equate to a 3 sigma quality standard? At that rate there'd be roughly a 2,700 ppm failure rate.
Just to put it into perspective,consider what 3 sigma quality would mean if applied to other processes:
Virtually no modern computer would function.
10,800,000 healthcare claims would be mishandled each year.
18,900 US Savings bonds would be lost every month.
54,000 checks would be lost each night by a single large bank.
4,050 invoices would be sent out incorrectly each month by a modest-sized telecommunications company.
540,000 erroneous call details would be recorded each day from a regional telecommunications company.
270,000,000 (270 million) erroneous credit card transactions would be recorded each year in the United States.
Kind of astounding when you look at it this way.
Just to put it into perspective,consider what 3 sigma quality would mean if applied to other processes:
Virtually no modern computer would function.
10,800,000 healthcare claims would be mishandled each year.
18,900 US Savings bonds would be lost every month.
54,000 checks would be lost each night by a single large bank.
4,050 invoices would be sent out incorrectly each month by a modest-sized telecommunications company.
540,000 erroneous call details would be recorded each day from a regional telecommunications company.
270,000,000 (270 million) erroneous credit card transactions would be recorded each year in the United States.
Kind of astounding when you look at it this way.
texagun
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"Oh, and Texagun... what kind of holster is that? Looks great!"
Regards
Derek
It is a Don Hume IWB Holster.
"I just picked up an M&P a few weeks ago. I really like the gun so far, but have run across a few issues some of you may be able to help me with.
(now keep in mind that I am realatively new to pistol shooting, so if these are stupid questions it's cause I am a 'noob' as they say)
First off, is is normal that certain types of ammo fail to lock the slide back when the mag is empty? I have the same problem with my Para 1911. In either gun the heavier 'ball' ammunition locks the slide back, but when I use a lighter ammo, especially with a flat nose, the slide fails to lock back about half the time.
Secondly, when the slide is locked back, inserting a new mag in one smooth motion tends to unlock the slide. On my 1911 I am used to inserting a new mag and having to hit the mag release. I am not slamming the mag home with my palm, like I said, it's just a smooth motion. If I insert slower it stays locked back. Someting I am doign wrong? Something I should have looked at? As long as my finger stays off the trigger this won't result in 'slamfire' will it? (Yeah, I've heard that thrown around, don't know if it has any merit.)
Thanks for your time!
Regards
Derek"
Derek:
I think your gun is operating normally. My slide always locks back after the last round, but I don't use "light" loads in it. I use WWB for practice and they lock the slide back just fine. Also it is normal for the slide to close when forcefully inserting a loaded magazine. If you "ease" it in, it won't and you will have to use the slide release. There's lots of information on these guns on www.mp-pistol.com.
Texagun
Regards
Derek
It is a Don Hume IWB Holster.
"I just picked up an M&P a few weeks ago. I really like the gun so far, but have run across a few issues some of you may be able to help me with.
(now keep in mind that I am realatively new to pistol shooting, so if these are stupid questions it's cause I am a 'noob' as they say)
First off, is is normal that certain types of ammo fail to lock the slide back when the mag is empty? I have the same problem with my Para 1911. In either gun the heavier 'ball' ammunition locks the slide back, but when I use a lighter ammo, especially with a flat nose, the slide fails to lock back about half the time.
Secondly, when the slide is locked back, inserting a new mag in one smooth motion tends to unlock the slide. On my 1911 I am used to inserting a new mag and having to hit the mag release. I am not slamming the mag home with my palm, like I said, it's just a smooth motion. If I insert slower it stays locked back. Someting I am doign wrong? Something I should have looked at? As long as my finger stays off the trigger this won't result in 'slamfire' will it? (Yeah, I've heard that thrown around, don't know if it has any merit.)
Thanks for your time!
Regards
Derek"
Derek:
I think your gun is operating normally. My slide always locks back after the last round, but I don't use "light" loads in it. I use WWB for practice and they lock the slide back just fine. Also it is normal for the slide to close when forcefully inserting a loaded magazine. If you "ease" it in, it won't and you will have to use the slide release. There's lots of information on these guns on www.mp-pistol.com.
Texagun
saltydog452
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michael,
of your two m and p smiths, which do you prefer for daily cary?
for off duty, what holster options 'work' for you?
for the moment disregard the fact that it is your issue pistol, how does it compare with other platforms.., dak, da/sa, sa only, sig, h and k, 11a1, etc.?
i guess what i am actually asking is, if you did not have to use it, would you choose it?... to the exclusion of other choices? and how would you tote it around?
thanks,
salty, one hand typist for 6 more weeks.
of your two m and p smiths, which do you prefer for daily cary?
for off duty, what holster options 'work' for you?
for the moment disregard the fact that it is your issue pistol, how does it compare with other platforms.., dak, da/sa, sa only, sig, h and k, 11a1, etc.?
i guess what i am actually asking is, if you did not have to use it, would you choose it?... to the exclusion of other choices? and how would you tote it around?
thanks,
salty, one hand typist for 6 more weeks.
You're probably correct. The question becomes what is an acceptable failure rate for a pistol, and how many pistols can make that rate?
I've had a couple of guns that have been pretty much flawless. Most will choke every now and then. This is why we do malfunction drills. Also, I consider my M&P fullsize to be reliable, but I'm worried about the Compact. The malfunction rates are, on paper, pretty similar (look at the first post to see the current standings). I'll note that almost all of the fullsize's failures happened very early, and the gun has been running like a top since. The Compact is good for one error per outing. That's disconcerting.
Still, neither one of them have choked once with duty ammo. I just hope that's not a product of the low number of rounds I've been able to run through them of that type.
I want to like the compact better for CCW, but I cannot shoot it as well (this is probably a function of the disparate trigger time with each more than anything else), and the reliability issue is niggling.
I run a Comp-Tac Infidel, and like it pretty well.
It feels GREAT in the hand. the trigger is good, but not as good as a 1911 or BHP SA trigger. If i had my druthers, I'd pack my BHP. I don't have my druthers.
No, I would not choose it, but that's only because I'm about 15 years into a life long love afair with the BHP. If I was looking for a non-SA pistol, yes, I would probably select the M&P. However, my preference is for SA carried in condition 1.
Mike
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Thanks.
salty.
salty.
gtmtnbiker98
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My round count update:
M&P 9: 555 rounds = 3 FTExtracts (during first 140) no failures since
M&P 40: 200 rounds = flawless performance
My three FTExtracts on the 9 occurred during the first outing and was shooting WWB. I have since shot WWB without issue; however, I have only shot a magazine full. I've been shooting American Eagle, Remington Green Box, and Black Hills in 9mm. I consider the pistol broke in now and will try WWB again as a primary diet - contributing my first 3 issues to be a combination of weak (cheap) ammo and new gun break-in. My M&P .40 has performed flawless out of the box.
M&P 9: 555 rounds = 3 FTExtracts (during first 140) no failures since
M&P 40: 200 rounds = flawless performance
My three FTExtracts on the 9 occurred during the first outing and was shooting WWB. I have since shot WWB without issue; however, I have only shot a magazine full. I've been shooting American Eagle, Remington Green Box, and Black Hills in 9mm. I consider the pistol broke in now and will try WWB again as a primary diet - contributing my first 3 issues to be a combination of weak (cheap) ammo and new gun break-in. My M&P .40 has performed flawless out of the box.
airwrench
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It seems I made the right choice with my m&p .40. I have owned mine now for 6 months. I stopped counting how many rounds I have shot through it. Several thousand by now. I have been using it for steel matches as well as ipsc competition. I shoot mostly loaded down ammo and the gun has only failed me 3 times. Let me restate that. My ammo has failed me 3 times. I have had no federal or remington factory ammo gun failures. The 3 reload failures was my reloading not the gun. I plan to buy the dark earth .45 and I am hoping for a tactical model of the 9mm.
Black Adder LXX
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My M&P 9c is at 800 rounds without a single problem. I LOVE THIS GUN!
It's not bad, if you wear loose clothing. When I vidited Dan Burwell's shop, he was CCWing a fullsize the whole time and I never noticed until he pulled it out. That's me, trained observer.
The compact is the exact same as the fullsize, with the following differences:
1. slightly shorter barrel. 3/4", maybe?
2. no beavertail.
3. Shorter grip (1", I think, but some of that is "lost" if you use the extended grip on the compact magazine).
I find that carrying the fullsize IWB is a PITA due to the beavertail. It keeps poking my food blister
Mike
The compact is the exact same as the fullsize, with the following differences:
1. slightly shorter barrel. 3/4", maybe?
2. no beavertail.
3. Shorter grip (1", I think, but some of that is "lost" if you use the extended grip on the compact magazine).
I find that carrying the fullsize IWB is a PITA due to the beavertail. It keeps poking my food blister
Mike
Black Adder LXX
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Can I join in?
I've got a M&P 9c.
I've put 1000 rounds through to date with 0 problems. I bumped the mag release on accident once when I was getting used to the grip, but have had no problems other than operator error.
The ammo has been:
115g WWB - 900 rounds
Magtech (not sure of weight) 100 rounds
It took a few hundred rounds to get used the short sight radius, but I'm starting to get pretty accurate with it. Trigger is smoothing out. I LOVE THIS GUN! I just got a Don Hume IWB (Made for the Glock) and it fits great. I'm going to start carrying now that I have a holster and 1000 rounds of confidence.
Did I mention that I LOVE THIS GUN?
I've got a M&P 9c.
I've put 1000 rounds through to date with 0 problems. I bumped the mag release on accident once when I was getting used to the grip, but have had no problems other than operator error.
The ammo has been:
115g WWB - 900 rounds
Magtech (not sure of weight) 100 rounds
It took a few hundred rounds to get used the short sight radius, but I'm starting to get pretty accurate with it. Trigger is smoothing out. I LOVE THIS GUN! I just got a Don Hume IWB (Made for the Glock) and it fits great. I'm going to start carrying now that I have a holster and 1000 rounds of confidence.
Did I mention that I LOVE THIS GUN?
gc70
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Coronach:
My son has a M&P40 - 2,450 rounds - flawless.
My son has a M&P40 - 2,450 rounds - flawless.
littlegator
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M&P 9
1850 rnds WWB 115 gr
20 rnds Corbon +p 115 gr
20 rnds Federal Hydra-Shok 124 gr
50 rnds Blazer 147 gr
Malfunctions - 0
Reliability - 100%
Issues - Corbon snags sometimes on feed ramp on 1st round - sounds similar to zahc's post #25. If I rack it more firmly, though, it seems to do fine.
- I have to wipe the slide down with a treated rag after every range session or it rusts easily.
- Slide gets pretty hot with 200+ rounds in one session
- When hand sweats after shooting awhile, grip becomes uncomfortable and does not provide good control\
- Ejected brass sometimes fly straight up and back, hitting me on the noodle
1850 rnds WWB 115 gr
20 rnds Corbon +p 115 gr
20 rnds Federal Hydra-Shok 124 gr
50 rnds Blazer 147 gr
Malfunctions - 0
Reliability - 100%
Issues - Corbon snags sometimes on feed ramp on 1st round - sounds similar to zahc's post #25. If I rack it more firmly, though, it seems to do fine.
- I have to wipe the slide down with a treated rag after every range session or it rusts easily.
- Slide gets pretty hot with 200+ rounds in one session
- When hand sweats after shooting awhile, grip becomes uncomfortable and does not provide good control\
- Ejected brass sometimes fly straight up and back, hitting me on the noodle
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kd7nqb
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IN MY M&P.40 FULL SIZE
150-Rounds of Magtech
50rounds WWB-
50 rounds- Remington UMC -
50 rounds- American Eagle-
10rounds CCI Shotshells- Does not cycle action
I am sorry that I did not post bullet weights I will edit in the AM (boxes are not near me at the moment) so far I have had 0 malfunctions other than the CCI shells not having enough "oomph" to cycle the slide. I dont blame that on the gun.
150-Rounds of Magtech
50rounds WWB-
50 rounds- Remington UMC -
50 rounds- American Eagle-
10rounds CCI Shotshells- Does not cycle action
I am sorry that I did not post bullet weights I will edit in the AM (boxes are not near me at the moment) so far I have had 0 malfunctions other than the CCI shells not having enough "oomph" to cycle the slide. I dont blame that on the gun.
Docgmt
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M&P .40 at 1600 rounds
Just went through 500 rounds of Remington this weekend no failures. Did have 4 rounds of Remington .223 that were bad crimps, one without powder in it.
Gone through 9000 of WWB and 100 of Federal Hydroshock another 100 of mixed ammo no problem. Also no rust so far, I do wipe it down after each time its used.
Just went through 500 rounds of Remington this weekend no failures. Did have 4 rounds of Remington .223 that were bad crimps, one without powder in it.
Gone through 9000 of WWB and 100 of Federal Hydroshock another 100 of mixed ammo no problem. Also no rust so far, I do wipe it down after each time its used.
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