S&W M&P Roundcount and Notes

[TimboKhan]

Just to put it into perspective,consider what 3 sigma quality would mean if applied to other processes:

Virtually no modern computer would function.
10,800,000 healthcare claims would be mishandled each year.
18,900 US Savings bonds would be lost every month.
54,000 checks would be lost each night by a single large bank.
4,050 invoices would be sent out incorrectly each month by a modest-sized telecommunications company.
540,000 erroneous call details would be recorded each day from a regional telecommunications company.
270,000,000 (270 million) erroneous credit card transactions would be recorded each year in the United States

Not really that astounding when you consider the numbers involved. Rounding your healthcare stat up to 11,000,000 means that 99 million claims still go through without a hitch. For the credit card transaction rate, 26 BILLION charges would still be correct. It interesting to look at, but when placed in proper perspective, not that big of a deal.

 

[AStone]

<Subscribed>

How did I miss this thread until now?
(Rhetorical question.)

I've got some reading to do.

Nem

PS: Yes, I fully admit that the MP
I'm interested in is a revolver, MP340,
which helps explain why I missed this thread until now.

Hypothesis: it doesn't matter that much. MP => higher quality.

 

[thegooch]

Why not I'll join in as well

S&W 9c

1100 total rounds fire 0 problems

80% WWB
5% Wolf
5% Georgia Arms
10% Federal +P+ JHP

 

[41 magnum fan]

I have three M&P pistols a M&P45,M&P9 and a M&P9c.All three have been reliable andaccurate. The M&P 45 has only been shot with 200 grain lswc and 230 lrn reloads,georgia arms 230 fmj and 230 grain gold dots.The 45 occasionally has a failure to feed with the 200 grain lswc.Has been 100% reliable with everything else.I have approximately 3000 rounds through this gun.

The M&P9 fullsize has been great too.I have close to 5000 roundsthrough this gun.Ammo used is mostly reloads with 125 grain lrn,125 plated rn,147 grain ltc,and 147 grain plated rnfp.Factory ammo has been Georgia Arms 115 fmj,Remington115 fmj,Fed 124 +p hst,Fed 147 HST,Speer 147 gold dot,Win 115fmj and 147 jhp and Federal 115 jhp and Remington 124 grain golden saber.I have had 1 failure to fire with georgia arms ammo,but fired on second try.The gun had 3 failure to feed with 147 plated reloads.Also had one failure to eject with 125 grain lrn reloads.


The M&P 9 compact has fired 2500 rounds of the same ammo used in the fullsize 9.The compact has had 4failures to eject with 125 lrn reloads,4 failure to fire with georgia arms ammo.Alsohave had 2 failure to feed with winchester 147 jhp and 2 failure to feed with 147 plated reloads.

Overall these guns have been very reliable and are a joy to shoot.I hated polymer guns until I shot the S&W M&P.Plan on adding a compact 45 when it becomes available.

 

[Odd Job]

Coronach can I see pictures of two Fiocchi cartridges side by side (the truncated jammer and the flatnose)?

 

[jon_in_wv]

Personally, I don't think it is a horrible failing. I know now that the gun won't run with TC ammo. So, I won't buy TC ammo. Problem solved. I suppose if TEOTWAWKI happens and TSHTF when I'm stranded with my M&P in a warehouse full of TC ammo with marauding brain-eating zombies outside, I might regret my cavalier attitude.

That cracked me up.

I have two M&Ps. I've fired several several thousand rounds with my M&P 9c and the only issue I've had is occasionally the slide will lock back with one round still in the magazine. I've also had ONE FTE. Just one while I was shooting off a sand bag rest. I suspect it was the ammo as it never happened again.

 

[possum]

thanks for sharing, that is odd, i am suprised that you have had that many malfunctions. especially in that low of a round count. i have heard great things about them up intil this point. i am also suprised that you have had trouble with the wolf ammo. i have never had an issue with wolf handgun ammo.

maybe you should sell them and go another hi cap polymer gun route. I would reccomend the xd line first and foremost, and there is always the glock's which are many out there to choose form, my favorite being the model 19.

 

[fastbolt]

I've passed the 2,200+ round mark in my M&P 45 full-size model.

All but about 100 rounds of it has been a mix of 3 different duty-type defensive loads of 230gr bullet weight, with the 100-odd rounds being some FMJ I had at hand.

Fine feeding & functioning. Capable of surprisingly good accuracy.

I long ago stopped buying reloaded/remanufactured ammunition.

I haven't reloaded in many years.

I stopped using anything loaded by most other folks, too.

I pretty much limit my ammunition choices to offerings from the major American manufacturers. There are some exceptions for 9mm ammunition.

I prefer as close to monotonous and boring as possible when it comes to functioning, and exercising some care when choosing ammunition can help in that regard.

Factory ammunition may not be perfect, but I have to look back at many ten's of thousands of rounds in order to remember the occasional problem with a factory round made by one of the major companies.

 

[wofat226]

my M&Pc also chambers 1st round very slow but then gose into battery. maybe weak recoil springs?

 

[vetts1911]

My M&P 9mm would not run on reloads and had a FTE of 1 to 2 out of a 100Win White Box. All the people I shot around recomended to to use Remington Green box ammo. I have had this pistol just shy of two years now. I guess it broke in at around 500 round mark and eats reloads and any other kind of ammo I feed it now. In July I sent it too Dan Burwell for a trigger and sight job. Now it is the best shooting and my favorite double action 9mm I own. I think Smith did it right and they have the market back with this one.

 

[jocko]

I have about 2500 + rounds out of my M & P that David Bowie of Bowie tactical reworked for me. have not had one malfunction since I fgot it. I primarly shoot 100 pak of wal-mart winchester ammo. this gun is drop dead accurate. Bowie can make um dance that is for sure...It had a terrible trigger out of the box but next to my customized G19, it is just a super accurate handgun and it goes bang every time to.

 

[Paul Calligaro]

My M&P 9c was one of the first to be produced. After about 500 rounds I started to have the mag release when firing. I was shooting all +P ammo. I have a large hand and it occured with all four of my mags but more frequently with the ones with the finger rest
After replacing the mag catch twice the problem continued. I sent it back to Smith and they sent me a new gun. I have over 2000 rounds through the new one and no problems. I do not shoot +P with the finger rest mag but do
use it with the other mags.

The second gun is wonderful. For a small gun it shoots great. It is my carry gun and and am sure it will serve me well if I need it.

Smith and Wesson stands by their guns and give fantastic customer service. I am so happy with my new M&P 9c and the way Smith and Wesson handled my problem I just ordered a Model 41.

 

[billy396]

M&P's

I originally bought a full-size M&P .40 when they first came out. I liked it so much I decided to get one of each model ASAP. I did so and I haven't really had any problems to speak of. I had a trigger job and a 11 degree target crown put on the full-size 9MM. It was already very accurate, now it's a tack driver and very easy to shoot accurately.
The only one that I didn't really care for was the .45. I had a Desert Tan .45 with safeties, and it just didn't really turn me on. I didn't have any trouble with it, I just didn't enjoy shooting it like I do the other M&P's. (I'm spoiled on my 1911's)
The .40C has been unbelievable. I've put every kind of reload in 155, 165, and 180 Gr., Ranger, Hydra-Shok, Powr-Ball and +P whatever I had through it, and the thing just keeps shooting. The
9C surprised me at how well it shoots as I had lower expectations, but it's great also. I've never tried any Fiocchi ammo, and now I won't bother with it if I run across any. To sum up, I'd be hard pressed to choose between the M&Ps and the Glocks, I love them both. I also love my SIG's, but I have never had an HK that I liked, and I've had a couple, .40 and .45, compact and full-size USP. I do think it may be possible that the Glock would endure more abuse before any failures, but that's only because I've seen and read about so many Glock torture tests. I'm still waiting for the M&P torture tests to make that distinction.
All in all, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend an M&P to anyone. I love 'em.

 

[destrux]

Drat. I just got 2 boxes of Speer Lawman 180gr FMJTC... and one box of Fiocchi FMJTC. I also just ordered a 170gr TC die to cast bullets for this gun. Guess I should have read up on this one before I went out and bought all this stuff.

 

[Quoheleth]

I'll add a quick report on my MP9...

I ordered my MP from Buds just after Christmas, 2007. Since then I've probably run 1000 (+/-) rounds through the gun without a hiccup. Not a single failure of any kind. I've only run 115gr factory, and then 115 jacketed and 125 LRN reloads through the gun - none of the heavier bullets. Of the 1000 rounds, about half was factory and half has been reloads. Most reloads have been mild target loads, but I did run up a batch on the high end of recommended charges. No problems, whatsoever.

FWIW, I have small hands. When I started shooting the MP, I thought the small grip was the way to go. I've since switched to the large grips and have gained much better control. The thicker, large grip fills the palm of my hand, giving me more surface contact. It's made a difference...

I am taking my Texas CHL class on Saturday. I have 110% confidence in the MP, and I'll be shooting it for qual.

Q