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S&W M&P vs GLOCK

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by WinThePennant, Nov 10, 2012.

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  1. 3leggeddog

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    Mp +Glock

    I rented both 3 times at the range,the M+P 9c and glock 26. The trigger on the glock was "mushy" and I cant shoot lead bullets threw it. Now its 2 years later with the M+P9c,I shoot on advarge 3 box's a month 150rds x12x2years= 3600rds .
    The trigger has smooth out nice ,NO problems at all. I didnt try to make a "race' gun out of it,nor expect it to hold up like a $1500.00 + gun!
    The gen.4 glock problems are well know. My next gun will be a older Sig 226 or 229...
     
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  2. WoodchuckAssassin

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    Glocks and I have never got along. I don't care for the grip angle, and the "mushy" trigger (also described by another poster), is something I can't get used to. I shot one Glock that had a nice trigger job on it, but it was such a light pull that I wouldn't ever feel comfortable carrying it without an external safety (even if Glock markets their "Safe" Action Trigger as a safety, to me its always been a poor excuse for a safety).

    I've never shot the M&P, but I will say that it feels MUCH better in my hand than the Glock. Happy Hunting!
     
  3. powder

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    S&W has pulled back from LE support, recently, in the 1911s at least. b.) Their LE Armorer's courses are not as prevalent as Glock or SIG's. c.) They have not gone after the market like Glock has.

    I've owned/shot, competed with several M&Ps: 9Pro, 9c, 40c, 45mid-sized. All require an Apex something or other for my trigger feel of preference, at $40-60 minimum. The Glock work is minimal and cheap/fast to do. The way the 40c shoots was the most impressive aspect of the M&P line-up for me. The M&P mags are much more expensive and not as easy to find. YMMV.
     
  4. Rittmeister

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    It's M&P for me. I much prefer the way it fits my hand - and yes, while I have nothing against Glock in principal I find that the grip angle is uncomfortable for me and I really do prefer having a thumb safety.
     
  5. ku4hx

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    I'm a Glock person pure and simple but I have more Rugers than Glocks. But my wife is tending toward the M&P and the XD and that just tickles me to no end. Might even have to buy another safe.

    Why be picky? Guns are like candy or ice cream. Enjoy the variety!
     
  6. jon_in_wv

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    You can claim reliability issues with either platform. Both are normally as reliable as each other. I have an early M&P with well over 10,000 rounds down range. I have had a total of ONE malfunction early on. I trust my life with my M&P 9C with no reservations at all. As far as I'm concerned the only real difference between the two is personal preference.
     
  7. Old Dog

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    Huh? This must be breaking news ... we get great support from S&W, and we've got an armorers' course scheduled for this month ...
     
  8. powder

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    No, it's not breaking news at all. Matter of fact the stream on it is about 7 MONTHS old... http://www.10-8forums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=99650#Post99650

    IIRC, a S&W Armorer's LE Course goes about twice a year, somewhere in the Ohio area. Between Glock and SIG LE courses, I can pick around 6 of theirs that are within 150 miles of Chicago, and they are more affordable.

    Then, there is the Officer pricing, and just plain availability of the guns-1911s for example: SIG TacOps with extra mags and holster and free shipping for $900. S&W E-Series? Can you find one for less than that, IF you can find one w/o issues? Meh...
     
  9. Fred_G

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    Both Glock mags and M&P mags are the same price, and pretty available here: http://gregcotellc.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=108&products_id=845

    $24.95 same as the Factory Glock mags.
     
  10. 9mmepiphany

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    My first question would be, Why would you introduce S&W's LE support for the 1911 E-series into a discussion of the M&P

    Then you cite a link which explains that S&W is increasing their M&P support. :uhoh:

    I don't blame them of not wanting to get into the 1911 LE business. If SA's experience is any example of the effort required to keep them running...S&W just doesn't need it
     
  11. phantomak47

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    After watching the sw mps break through out my academy class....i would never carry one
     
  12. Sam1911

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    Can you be specific about what kind of problems they had?
     
  13. CountGlockulla

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    I've had both and stuck with Glocks. Easier to work on and I prefer the trigger.

    Some Glocks are made in the USA and Glock provides US jobs. Please don't let that sway you. Kind of like the "buy American" when it comes to cars. The Toyota Carolla is the most American made vehicle manufacture today.
     
  14. Dean1818

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    M&P here

    Have a Shield in 40 and a M&P 45C


    Cant decide which I like best, but the Shield is my CCW

    These guns are highly reliable

    I like the grip angle of the M&P over the Glock

    I like the fact that the M&P is more rounded, and feels less square

    I reload, so a steady diet of cast lead is perfect in both guns

    I like the fact that I am keeping an American company and workers going
    Vs. Some other country


    To me.... The M&P is the way to go

    They are putting better triggers on all of the newer pistols as well
     
  15. Skribs

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    While I think Glock still has a significant part of the market share, I don't think it's the king that it used to be. Not that Glock has sunk any, it's just that others have risen up to meet it. I agree with 9mm's assessment of the M&P trigger: it was absolutely terrible in every respect until I put an APEX kit and trigger into it, and now it's great.

    I think the "Glock" nowadays is the general idea of polymer-framed, striker-fired pistols. There are different models out with different pros and cons. I'm transitioning from my XDm 40 compact to my M&P 9C, and am pretty happy.
     
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    Shoot them both, and buy accordingly. My wife shot both, and actually shot the Glock a little better, but chose the M&P 9c because it was far more comfortable for her. We went to the range for a half hour yesterday, and she shot 130+ rounds - she stopped when she got tired of loading mags!

    And I just ordered a G26, to go with my G34, G30, and G21. They shoot better for me.

    I suspect that once you get through the initial beta testing all the major manufacturers seem to do but call first production run, the failure rate of Glock, S&W, Ruger, and XD all run about the same.
     
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    What does the Apex stuff do for the M&P, I have heard good things about it. I could get used to the M&P trigger, but a shorter trigger reset would sell me on it.
     
  18. Thaddeus Jones

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    Glock. On trigger alone.

    No need to rebuild a brand new Glock, right out of the box, with Apex parts and Storm Lake barrels, just to make it useable. ;)
     
  19. Teachu2

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    Realize as well that Glock did a Henry Ford to the American handgun market in the 1980's. They produced a simple, reliable, durable, extremely uniform, and pretty inexpensive handgun, like the Model T. Then they marketed it to LE agencies like they were invading Italy. They overwhelmed the LE market, which gave them acceptance with the American public, and they became the dominant player in poly-framed handguns in America.

    Glock changed the American handgun market, and it took the rest of the manufacturers time to realize that the future had already happened. By then, Glock had extablished it's monarchy. They so dominated the market, and had such a large market share, that the only real change that could happen happened. Just as other car makers went to assemply lines, other gun makers went to their versions of Glocks. Ford lost market share when that happened, but still seems to be a major player. Same with Glock.

    The company that is first to successfully market a product gets the lion's share of the market initially. Others follow, and dilute the market. Some bring a better product, some a lower price, and some a more attractive marketing program.
     
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    Some of the people with ejection problems from recent Glocks (3rd and 4th gen) might disagree with that. The Apex extractor is known for a reason.

    Glock seems to have mucked with their winning formula. :(
     
  21. 9mmepiphany

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    The rule of thumb is that the #1 company in any field will have 50% of the market, #2 will have 25% and the other companies fight over the rest.

    The thing is that to stay #1, the top company needs to continue to innovate... in marketingspeak: Zag when the industry Zigs...think Apple with their iPhone and iPad

    This is where Glock is now trailing...think interchangable backstraps. Then they have been slow in addressing issues with weapon mounted lights affecting feeding (Gen3; G22) and BTF (Gen 3/4; G17/19)
     
  22. guyfromohio

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    Ignore the interwebz folklore. The Gen 4s solved the "doesn't feel right in my hand" problem. I've had 2 Gen 4 19s.... one first round of production and one last weekend. Both are the fastestest, steadiest guns I've shot. And I've shot a few. I'm sure there were some some ejection issues out there, but I tire if the internet warriors stating as fact.
     
  23. Warp

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    There are a lot of ejection issues.

    Calling the people experiencing the problems names doesn't help anything in any way.

    Curious...how many rounds do you have through each of those Gen4 Glock 19s?
     
  24. Fred_G

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    Ahh, OK, thanks for the info. I don't like Glock triggers either. Nothing wrong with a Glock if you like them. The joy of a free market...
     
  25. Skribs

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    Well, APEX trigger replaced the hinged trigger with a lever-style trigger, and since I HATE the hinge, that was a big help. The machined parts reduced the spongyness in the pull and grittiness in the reset. The RAM made the reset that much easier to feel.

    Seriously, the difference is huge. I've heard that XD has the best trigger out of the barrel, but that Glocks is easiest to tune without buying parts. Personally, I'm happy with my M&P + Apex.
     
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