S&W Model 332 .32 H&R Mag

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A post to tell you all about my fairly recent trips to the S&W range to try the new lightweight revolvers. Well, naturally, i had to go for the model 360 .357 first. On the J frame and weighing in at 12 oz. loaded, the recoil of this weapon forced me to retrieve both my hands from off the floor behind me and reattach them to the bloody stumps of my arms. OK, I exaggerate but not by a whole lot. The closest thing I can compare it to is hitting a really fast hardball and the resulting bat sting. It's actually painful to shoot the thing. It snaps your wrists back farther than they're supposed to go. Another interesting drawback is that the recoil is so snappy it can actually cause the heads of the remaining rounds to work loose and slide out of the cylinder. In my case a loose projectile stopped the cylinder from rotating and effectively jammed the gun. So for those of you that insist on purchasing this weapon use nothing but PREMIUM ammo in it. Now me, on the other hand, I decide this is not what I want, the gun is small and light and very unobtrusive but the recoil... so after some thought, I return to the Range a few weeks later and explain all this to the counter folks and gee, its a great gun but it would be nice if it came in a lighter caliber. Out he comes with the model 331 .32 H&R Mag. Same set up but not so much of a cannon. I try this one and find it wholly manageable, comparable maybe to a regular weight .38. plus it has the added feature of holding 6 rounds as opposed to the 5 of the .357. So after that I chose the model 332, which is hammerless and goes in and out of my pants pocket with ease. The only drawbacks I find with this model are 1. the light color stains easily from firing and requires a little soaking and elbow grease to clean it up, 2. the finish can be rubbed off if you're not careful with your brushes, 3. I'm not crazy about the sights and would have prefered the HI-Vis sights. and 4. The ammo ain't cheap and can be hard to locate. Federal Hy-Shocks claim to leave the muzzle at 1100 fps which make it one of the faster rounds from them, so it packs a pretty good wallop. Additionally, the S&W rep tells me that the .32 won't smash through bone like the bigger rounds which lessens the chance of injuring innocents with a through and through shot. So check this weapon out. I hear S&W wants to discontinue it due to lack of interest but its still on the web site. If enough of us choose to fire this very adequate personal defense round, maybe the price will drop on it. I just love mine! Thanx!
 
I seem to have read somewhere that they may discontinue the 331, but not the 332. I keep looking at these but so far I have not bit. I feel the .32 mag. would be a great CCW pacage and I will probably get one this year.
 
I think the Federal's velocity is measured in a 4" or more tube.

Texas Ammo has an "Express" load involving an 85grain XTP JHP moving at over 1,000fps from a 2" barrel - it was made for that sort of gun. That would be my first choice in carry ammo and will give you about the same effectiveness as most 38+P fodder. Georgia Arms has good practice fodder.

I know HKS has a speedloader for the six-shot J-frame 32s.

Good gun.

We also agree S&W has gone flat-out nuts on the lightweight 357. I consider them actually dangerous both from recoil damage to your wrists and the danger of the gun tying up from yanked projectiles.
 
yes, i've heard a story of someone breaking bones in their hand with the .357. I can believe it. I shot normal .38s in it first and that wasnt too too bad but the .357s, yowsers. Oh, and i float around 240 lbs so i'm not that dainty. It recoils so fast it actually doesnt raise your arms very much, its all put to the wrists. One of the counter guys say's to me "if you dont have a flinch problem now, you will when you're done with this" how's that for encouragement? LOL Thanx for the input on the ammo and speedloaders. I have been trying to find some speedloaders for it. that isnt easy (or wasnt) either. The 332 is very unobtrusive. I keep it in my right jeans pocket and I truly forget it's there. Another thing I like is even though it's hammerless it can still be used single action because there is a stop point between rotating the cylinder and releasing the hammer. Once you get used to it its very easy to find. The only other gun that is less obtrusive is the keltec P32. its only 7 0z loaded but i dont like .32 auto, it just doesnt seem like it has much stopping power and I dont like to leave it in my pocket because it gets dirty. plus its an auto not a revolver. I usually only carry it when I'm wearing lighter weight pants because the 332 will tend to make youre pocket sag. dockers are ok but anything synthetic or lightweight and the 332 wants to slip down barrel horizontal rather than vertical. I guess a holster would help but would add to the profile.
regards,

m
 
Go to the Taurus USA website, and look up the model numbers of their six-shot 32Mag snubbies. Their version uses the same speedloaders as your gun. Then pull up their speedloader cross-reference chart, and you'll get the HKS model number for your gun.

You might have to mailorder 'em, but speedloaders are at least available :).
 
It just must be easier to find things in Kentucky.

All the gun shops I visit have plenty of Federal .32 H&R Magnum hollow ponts on the shelf. When I decided I wanted a speed-loader, the first shop I went into had them. (Of course, this is Kentucky. The "F-" state according to the Brady Bunch.:) )

KR
 
up here in the hartford, conn area i can find the federals in one shop and no loaders anywhere. too pricey for me to really enjoy going through a lot of rounds at one time. about $8 for 20 rounds. i shoot the s&w .32 longs for practice sometimes but they are still kind of expensive and dirty up the cylinder too much. after a box or so of longs i've found that the cylinder gets fouled enough so that the longer mag rounds won't slide all the way in nor will they come back out and then i'm in for some serious cleaning to make it right again. And naturally the rounds dont place the same as the mags so it really pays to shoot off some mag rounds to be familiar with where theyre going to go. i'll check the taurus site too. I do have a dealer friend who will sell me the ammo at near cost but he's not always available. I also contacted a few reload factories about buying even a special production of 1000 rounds or more but nobody wants to answer me.

Remember: "It's all in the trigger control"

pearl of wisdom from our local high master shooter, 1 hour with him added an easy 15 points to my scoring...

regards to all

m
 
Buy your 32Mag or 32S&W practice fodder here:

http://www.georgia-arms.com/pistol.htm

Buy your carry ammo here:

http://www.texas-ammo.com/about.htm#news

The 32Mag load described there is shipping, but isn't on their order page yet. Contact them here and they'll set you up:

http://www.texas-ammo.com/

Buy speedloaders here:

http://www.pistoleer.com/hks/revolver/index.shtml

or here:

http://www.gungoodies.com/speedloaders.html

In all cases you want the "J-frame type" 6-shot speedloader, also known as part # HKS-32-J

http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product/hks/hkshome.htm

http://www.gunaccessories.com/HKS/RevolverSpeedloaders/index.asp

...many more. Do a google search on "HKS Speedloaders" (with quotes).
 
Thanx Jim! I'll get right on it.

:D

m

got a little looking around done. Texas ammo lists 32 mag as comparable to .38 which i have heard before.

great sites and the prices are great too!
 
If you look at the energy levels between an 85grain JHP doing 1,000fps (189ft/lpbs) and a 125 barely breaking 850 (201ft/lbs) or a 158 doing 750 (200ish ft/lbs), they are indeed in the same ballpark. A table of ballistic energy can be found at:

http://www.naaminis.com/energy.html

The good news is, when you get there with more velocity, your odds of successful JHP expansion goes up. Way up.

That said, the 38+P can out-perform that Texas Ammo load - Winchester's 130grain Supreme +P JHP is a good round because they put a *huge* JHP cavity on it, so it *does* expand at modest velocities from a snubbie. But while it's a better round than the Texas Ammo 32 on a round-per-round basis, I remain unconvinced that it's "better enough" that SIX of the 32s aren't more useful than 5 of the 38s!

Upshot: you do your part, and that little 32Maggie will back your play...but pick ONLY the very best in carry ammo :). That Texas Ammo load is so good, I'd consider buying a long-term "carry load" supply of 200 - 500 rounds (practicing with other stuff) in case they stop selling it.

Cor-Bon pondered a 32Mag defensive load where they took a Gold Dot projectile meant for the 32ACP (60 grain, I think) and got it REALLY hauling butt, up over 1,200fps from a snub, over 1,450 from a 4&5/8ths Ruger Single Six in 32Mag. They assumed that the Gold Dot's jacket being bonded to the lead REAL tight, it would hold together at crazy speeds. Interesting concept, but they dropped it due to lack of demand :fire:. The Texas Ammo solution is probably *better* than that by a little bit, as they "tuned it" for 2" carry guns...I saw some at last year's NRA convention and talked to them about it.

Anyways...point is, the market for GOOD 32Mag defensive fodder ain't that great. Score a fair amount ASAP if you can afford to.

The only other way to get such carry rounds would be to have Weshoot2 at Gray Area Ammo brew you some up custom.

Or roll your own :).
 
good advice jim, i will pick up 500 or so of those texas ammo rounds. whats the shelf life on this stuff though. i presume it's not indefinite. and yes, "rolling my own" is an option id like to explore but then the legal beagles tell me that using souped up reloads results in a courtroom question like "why werent you using factory ammo? Not deadly enough for you?" answer "uh, i found them..." or " the factory was out that day" lol

:evil:

I'll keep you posted on the progress...

oh, i got some cor-bon 9mm+P's for this hi-power i happen to have. they claim 1500 fps on this particular round (theres also an 1100 fps round) and boy do they make that gun go BANG!!

correction the 85 gr 9mm corbon claims 1500 fps the 115 gr corbon 9mm claims 1350. for what its worth

:D

regards

m
 
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Ammo kept at room temp or a bit below, and in the dark, will last an easy 30+ years. Often a LOT longer. High humidity is the thing to watch for, people's garages aren't well insulated and when it rains the air gets damp. Your bedroom closet floor is a better bet.

People shoot pre-WW2 military surplus all the time, although by that point peak power is sometimes down a bit.

If the 32Mag ever becomes truly "orphaned" and you still carry it, reloading won't be as legally problematic as for a more current caliber. Some people still shoot 38-40 for example, and if carrying on the street they brew up loads that duplicate 40S&W functional power levels. Or the old 32-20 can be loaded to about the level of the current 32Mag. In your case, duplicating 38+P horsepower levels in a gun normally sized for 38s would be very difficult to "condemn".

Mind you, I think the 32Mag will maintain a reasonable presence. It's too useful not to. Ruger now sells a lot of single action 32Mags, S&W and Taurus haven't abandoned it. More firepower, less recoil, good functionality. Ruger sometimes does batches of 32Mag SP101 sixguns that take the same speedloaders as your gun.
 
thanx jim...

lots of good stuff ! i appreciate your efforts to educate.

great site too. seems pretty friendly well, to the good guys anyhow.

m
 
Is your piece wearing rubber or wood grips? Either way, you may have to gently modify the left-hand grip panel to allow speedloader clearance. This is a common issue, unfortunately.

If the speedloader doesn't want to cram in there cleanly:

My favorite tool for this is a Dremel with a "sanding barrel" attachment in the finest grade sandpaper you can find.

1) See where grips are interfering.

2) Take the grips off and put masking tape on the left part of the frame near where you're going to sand on the grip.

3) Put the grips back on.

4) GENTLY polish the grips at the "indentation" which should already be there to allow speedloader access.

There are other ways of skinning this cat, but this seems to work best with both rubber and wood grips. IF YOU HAVE MICARTA or some other man-made substance, watch what you breath! Exp. if it's fiberglass based, or G10 or something. That crap is *nasty*, as bad as asbestos by some accounts. I don't *think* anybody's making gun grips out of it yet(?) but it's common in the knife world. Carbon Fiber is bad too. Dunno about ivory polymers or similar but I'd be real careful regardless.
 
ive got the standard grips that came with it. Rubber hogues if im remembering correctly. i'll check it out when it see the loaders though. i like the dremel idea.

m
 
S&W Model 332 pic

Here is a pic of my peashooter. Above it I have placed #1 on the left a Winchester .32 ACP 60 gr JHP, #2 in the center is the Federal Hy-Shok .32 H&R Mag. 85 gr JHP and #3 for further reference, on the right is a Winchester 9mm 147 gr JHP. For the record, my scale says it weighs 14.25 oz fully loaded with the Hy-Shoks.
Regards

m
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I love the little j-frame ultra lights, particularly the hammerless flavor. Due to a great deal from somebody who fired exactly one cylinder full I got the 360 357 Mag scandium/ti model and with all humility I find the recoil with 158 gr magnums spirited but not intolerable. Your point about watching for projo movement from recoil is well advised. Sellier & Bellot pulled after 3 shots but Federal stayed put so that became my load. I put a box of each thru it in two separate sessions and I am still alive and kicking.

32 Mag: I would think Georgia Arms would have good ammo/reasonable price if anyone would. Our gun shows in Dixieland have GA there every time with beaucoup flavors of ammo.
 
280PLUS: the "dished area" of the grip that's factory clearanced for a speedloader is unusually well done. It's quite possible your speedloaders will work with no mods. Worst case, you'll have to thin that rubber out with a dremel sanding drum VERY lightly, but I'm guessing not just on seeing that pic.

In any case, that gun with the Texas Ammo loads will make for a fine "on you 100% of the time" sidearm.
 
thanx guys, i must admit i dont remember what it was i shot out of the .357. i shot a whole box of reloaded .38 before trying the .357's and they werent too bad. the rep did tell me the .357's were about the hottest load you can buy but man that thing ripped. incidently it was the .38 that worked loose and jammed the gun, the good .357's did not. i think you will be able to find a lot of them just like BigG's, shot once and sold (or practically given away). i havent had any problems with the hy-shoks working loose either. the thing that sold me on the 332 is the extra shot. for some reason i just like that idea.

;)

m
 
There's a difference between "good ammo" and "tuned for max performance in 2" barrel snubbies".

The latter describes the Texas Ammo fodder.

:)

I know what I'd carry for defense...
 
jim...

got the speedloaders in record time from pistoleer, and fyi everything clears the grips just fine with no mods needed...

thanx some more...

m
 
i just read this thread this past weekend. i emailed Texas Ammo about their .32 H&R ammo, and they said they never developed it, BUT they do have some good 10mm ammo.

i wish they still made it. i would have picked some up. sigh!

Craig
 
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