S&W Model 49

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I have a 1960's era S&W M 49 in mint condition. I want to shoot the GD 135 grain +P for SD only but I know the gun isn't rated for +P.

Has anyone had any problems putting a few +P's a year through these older guns and what what standard load would you recommend for practice to simulate the same recoil as the GD load?

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I bought this one in 1975 from an FBI agent. He carried it for his duty weapon. I have no idea how many rds he put thru it altho at the time their duty rd was the 158 gr LRN and they just started going to the 158 gr LSWCHP+P. I carried it from 1975 until 1995 when I picked up a 649. I carried only the 158 LSWCHP+P and fired 200-500 rds of that ammo thru it every year. I also ran some lesser pressure rds thru it for practice. Unknown how many. This 49 has loosened up some but it is still a great shoooter and still in time. If you were to look at it without comparing to a new, tight gun you most likely wouldn't notice the extra play in the cylinder. It's not that bad. The 649 has had the same number of rds run thru it every year and it's still doesn't have any play in it.
That's not to say your 49 would handle that many rds of +P or that yours may go even more rds without showing more play. You may be able to run more rds or less, no way of telling. No doubt +P will cause extra wear and tear. It's like running a car 100 MPH everywhere, everyday, all the time. Most cars can do that but they'll last a lot longer if they're only run 50 MPH. How much longer? Can't say.

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>>I want to shoot the GD 135 grain +P for SD<<

I carry these in both my non +P rated snubbys. Although they're not +P rated as such, I'm not going to worry about that in an SD situation.
 
It'll handle it. If your really worried you could sell it to me and buy a more modern one:)
 
The forcing cones on these are very small and very thin. I have a 649 and while I'm sure it can handle some +p rounds I just don't see the need to do that to it. It's your gun so do what you want but I'm one of those that prefers to play it safe and stay within the rated limits of a gun. Could easily break the forcing cone, or twist the barrel on these.
 
Thanks for all the great info.

Sorry no sale, this is one 4 three handguns that I will never sell (S&W M63 .22LR, 4" Blued Python and a as of yet not fired Colt ACE.
 
Thanks for all the great info.

Sorry no sale, this is one 4 three handguns that I will never sell (S&W M63 .22LR, 4" Blued Python and a as of yet not fired Colt ACE.
 
I ahd an older M49 issued to me for a while. We were issued +P ammo and that's what I used. the timing was fixed once while I had it. I passed it on to a newer agent and he had until it so loose and had frame stretch it was junked. This revolver lasted several thousand rounds of +P but please don't take that as an endorsement to use +P.

I've never been a big fan of +Ps in a J frame due to control and excessive wear on the gun. I've said before you really don't gain a lot with +P. Look at chrongraph results not manufacturer's figures. I'd stick with standard loads. I use factory wadcutters.

ps Using wadcutters I use one load for practice and carry. Why complicate matters.
 
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I have had a 49 since the late 60's, and it has had hot handloads and 110 grain Super-Vel through it almost exclusively.
Still as good as new.

The old J-frame .38's are getting a bad rap lately on the lier-net for being somehow weak.
IMO: Such is not the case at all.

The 5-shot cylinder makes the cylinder walls almost the same thickness as the K-Frame Magnums over the webs and bolt cuts.
The forcing cone is almost completely supported inside the frame.
And it has no gas ring cut on the bottom like the K-Frame magnum barrels.
They have all been heat treated the same as the Magnums since they were introduced.

They would likely handle todays lower .357 pressure indefinately if a .357 would fit in them.

Still, they are a very small gun, and steady use of high-pressure ammo will eventually loosen them up faster.

I for one, have never been able to shoot one enough to do that, but I suppose if you tried really hard, and had enough time & money for ammo?

BTW: They were not +P rated, because there was no such thing as a SAAMI +P rating for .38 Special ammo until 1974.

Then, in those pre-lawyer run days, if you called S&W and ask them, they told you a limited amount of +P would not hurt a thing, other then loosen the gun up a little faster, maybe.

We need to keep in mind that in 1950 when the J-Frame Model 36 came out, there were 38/44 Hi-Speed loads that were really todays .357 Magnum ammo in a shorter case. People were told not too shoot them in smaller J & K guns, but you can bet some did.
And the guns didn't come apart.

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This is my 49, and this is the ammo I carry in it. Seems to work just fine, but for general shooting use I tend to stick with regular wadcutters and standard loads. I'm not planning to shoot hundreds of +P's through it, but that's ALL I'll carry it with.

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Glad to see there are people that like the gun as much as I do.

Thanks Again!
 
A Bodyguard J frame is my favorite revolver!

Today's so-called +P ammo is no more "powerful" than the hotter standard ammo made 30 years ago. I don't see how a round with reported pressures under 18,500 psi could harm a modern revolver. I would suggest you fire 100+ round a week through it but if you practice with standard pressure ammo and carry +P ammo I highly doubt you will do any damage at all to your revolver.
 
Glad to see there are people that like the gun as much as I do.

Thanks Again!

Ya know, I'd never really wanted a snubbie, figured they were too small to be useful. But this was a local deal...private sale, and it was virtually NIB, used very little anyway, in excellent shape. I probably paid too much, but with that pocket holster it's the most comfortable combo I've come up with so far! It's VERY easy to haul it around.
 
I use a Bullard pocket holster and love it. It prints a little in my from Levi's pocket, but in cargo pants or a jacket pocket it can't be beat.
 
I think it was ebay...that pair of grips are on my wife's "Women of the NRA" model 442 now and I have a nice looking/feeling pair of wooden Hogue's on my M49 now.

As I recall the grips shown were some $70. and the seller did have a website, but I don't have the link now.
 
The Bodyguard J_Frame rules!

Got to love the original SW 49, the Airweight 638, and the big older brother... I own a S&W 649, made in 1994 (if I am interpreting the ###9394 serial number correctly, but I'm probably not) and I'm very happy with it. The best part about it, and I'm sure any owner would agree, is the ability to fire low-bang wadcutters, regular .38 SPL, .38 +P, and .357 Mag. Here are a couple of pictures of mine - oh and btw, who can tell me how to insert pictures in the text, instead of having them as attachments? When replying to a thread, I try to use the "INSERT IMAGE" icon, but it opens up a field to enter in a URL? ANy ideas? Thanks.

And one last thing - last month I fired some super hot 158 grain .357 Mag JSP and they worked my 649 over pretty good - I had to really force the cylinder open and punch the empty shells out. Is that level of ammo too much for the J-frame? Do I risk harming the lockwork and alignment of the gun?
 

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oh and btw, who can tell me how to insert pictures in the text, instead of having them as attachments? When replying to a thread, I try to use the "INSERT IMAGE" icon, but it opens up a field to enter in a URL? ANy ideas? Thanks.

You have to have the images loaded to another site to use them as a direct image.

After you have the image on another site you just use the [img code to insert the image.

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