S&W SW9VE Sigma - First Thoughts

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Long time lurker....for some reason I decided to register today. Good community you guys have got here.

I actually joined to post about some issues with another gun, but thought I would post about this new sigma while I was here....

Here's the background:
On impulse last week, I picked up a new S&W Sigma 9mm (SW9VE). I had traded some stuff I didn't need anymore, had a big store credit, and after running a couple of boxes through one at the store range, I picked up this gun and 800 rounds of 9mm.

Why:
I saw it among the rentals a couple of weeks ago when I was putting in some range time with my M&P 9mm. I had heard so much about the Sigmas guns....all bad. It was word-of-mouth that soured me on them and contributed to my purchasing my M&P a few years ago for my first gun.

The Sigma felt good...really good in the hand. The trigger was notably stiffer than the M&P, but not excessively long and definitely not rough. I realize the gun had a shaky start 15 years ago, but I failed to see why people dog it out so much now.

So, at a price of $279 new, I got one last week.

My first range trip with mine:
I brought the new SW9VE to the range with my M&P and a Kel-Tec P3AT. I planned to put 8 boxes through it.

The trigger was stiffer than the range gun I had tried a couple of weeks ago. I guess this was to be expected with a new gun. It seemed not quite twice as hard of a pull pull as the M&P, about the same length pull. It was just a little bit harder (but shorter) than the Kel-Tec P3AT.

Accuracy: After 400 rounds I was completely missing a softball sized hole from the target at the center-of-mass aim point at 10 yards. My accuracy with this gun (after an adjustment period) was no different than the M&P.

Reliability: No malfunctions of any kind on 420 rounds. (400 Federal Factory seconds of some sort, and 20 Gold Dot JHPs).

Summary: Had I not listened to the internet, I probably would've bought one of these in 2006 when I bought my M&P. With proper grip & sighting, I can shoot the sigma just as accurately as the M&P after just 400 rounds (vs ~7k on the M&P), perhaps not as quickly but not much slower either.

Don't get me wrong, I like the M&P better, but I was surprised that it wasn't night-and-day. My trigger finger was tired after 400 pulls on the Sigma. But, for $279 new with 2 mags, I think it's a bargain. She's loaded up with gold dots and in a new Barska safe I picked up for the home office now.

The moral of the story: Don't listen to me. Don't listen to the internet. GO SHOOT SOME GUNS AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS. I'm happy with my other guns, but now regret talking others out of what may have been a good gun because of stuff I had read on the internet. :)
 
sigmas are a reliable but completely mediocre pistol $?279 is a bit more than I would pay, but not unreasonable.
 
^then you are missing out.

i almost listened to everyone but i picked up a sigma 40ve allied forces, it rides in a grandfather oak kydex holster on my hip and has been for 4 years now. never, not 1, single issue.
 
I think the Sigma is a bargain at $279. No, it's not a Glock, M&P or XDM but it still seems to be a decent, reliable defense gun that you can also enjoy while plinking. I think that it gets trashed so much because the earliest model was such a Glock ripoff and it was unfairly compared to guns that cost $200 more.
I bought the .40 cal Sigma when they came out and shot it for many years. I could hit bowling pins with it at 25 yds if I took my time. It was reliable, relatively inexpensive and it fit my budget when I couldn't afford Glocks, Sigs and a lot of the other more expensive handguns. The trigger was bad but it wasn't as bad as many made it out to be.
 
I have sigma. I paid $180 for it in 2008. I also used one at the police academy and it was what I carried when I was an officer. I paid $260 for it in 1997. I prefer alot of my other pistols over the sigma: Berretta 92F, Browning hi power, RIA 1911, S&W 5906, S&W 915, Taurus 25/7, and (although there isn't that much of a difference) my Glock 22.

The Sigma will serve you fine, but it is a mediocre, entry level pistol. Accept that and enjoy it for what it is. You paid full retail (or close to it) and there is nothing wrong with that, but if you try to upgradein a couple years and try to resell it, don't be surprised if you have a hard time getting $250 for it as a private sale or $150 trade in.
 
Oh yes, they are definitely well made, reliable, average pistols. Anything you expect a service-type pistol to do, including run reliably for an indefinite period, the Sigma will do. And it feels good in the hand too.


But it isn't a real stand-out pistol unless you are purely considering the grip or reliability.
 
Love mine.

Glock with a lawyer trigger. Works great and very accurate for what I consider a pure service gun.
 
johnny_galtanni

S&W SW9VE Sigma - First Thoughts

Yeah, probably one of the better kept secrets as a result of all the initial negative press. It's a no frills kind of gun. Easy to disassemble like a Gluck and no safeties to mess with. Good ergos, decent capacity, and reliable as can be, too.
 
Worst trigger of any pistol I've ever shot. The lawyers really thought a 12lb trigger was necessary?

But they have an admirable rep for reliability. If it was all I could afford, I would have no problem carrying one.

And on the plus side, if you can shoot it without pulling your shots, you'll be able to shoot anything well.
 
I 'adjusted' the trigger pull a mite.
I love the feel and the look of the gun.
I wish I hadn't let it get away.
 
If you look on you tube for sigma or glock trigger jobs you can reduce the trigger to under 5 lbs and make it ALOT smother. Brownells sells some of the parts.
 
I shoot my sigma9 every week, a regular 200 rounds through it bi weekly. It is now smooth and accurate, it took several hundred rounds but the gun worked itself into something I can hand to a friend and say give her a try.

And guess what, you might say its a mediocre gun but your comparing it to a $600 gun.
I bought mine for 289, and that was out the door. Im getting my money worth.
 
I've got a Sigma SW9VE. My wife has a Glock 19. We paid about twice as much for the Glock as we did for the Sigma.

The Glock is a "better" gun I suppose. It must be. It cost twice as much.

But it's not twice as good.
 
I found the Sigma to be OK until you try to shoot it quickly as well as accurately. When you speed up that trigger starts to really affect the shooting. For me, it's not worth the cost savings unless I wasn't going to use it as a defensive pistol. But I know folks that love them.

Everyone I know personally that shoots them (which is only three folks) gets wildly inaccurate as soon as we do anything other then stand in one place and shoot at a stationary target.

That said, a Sigma in the holster hands down beats the Sig you left at the gun shop.
 
Loved my SW9VE, but always wanted a Glock 19 instead. So after years of Sigma ownership, I sold the Sigma and got a Glock. But I never had a single issue out of the Sigma, it always went bang, and it was reasonably accurate.

The long trigger pull was not a big issue for me. It felt like a DA revolver trigger, and I got used to it in short order.

With the only safety on these pistols being my brain, I know that brains cause muscles to flinch involuntarily when startled. I liked that if I flinched in a home defense situation, the gun wouldn't fire as easily. I'd have to deliberately squeeze off a round. For that same reason, I've left my Glock's trigger pull standard and not changed the connector. I wanted to definitively have to pull the trigger and not make it too light.

I will also say that I really liked how the Sigma fit my hands. The Glock gen4 has a rougher, slimmer grip that finally got me to buy a Glock 19, as the slimmer Sigma grip with a rougher "texture" felt so good.
 
10 years ago or so Sigmas very much earned their bad reputation. They were truly awful guns at any price. To Smith's credit they have redesigned the gun and worked out the bugs. I see them selling for around that price quite often and are probably a good buy for someone looking for a decent gun on a budget. The Sigma and Ruger P-95 may well be the best budget guns out there.

That said I had one of the truly awful guns I purchased in 1999. I know the new ones are much better, but I simply cannot bring myself to buy another. I've thought several times about picking up one at that price just as a truck gun. But the memories of those nightmares of years ago keep coming back. There is truth to the stories you read on the internet.

I hope yours works out. It will probably work fine for you.
 
The original sigma wasn't redesigned to fix it's failings. It was redesigned for being too close a copy of the Glock. You could even swap the barrels they were that close.

Sigmas took a big hit when S&W sold out to the anti gun people during the Clinton years in order to get some government contracts. I don't think they ever fully recovered.

If you don't like the triggers they can be considerably lightened by replacing a couple springs and honing the contact surfaces. I replaced the sear on mine with one from an aftermarket Glock accurizing kit in addition to the honing and it releases at 5 lbs now. It's not that hard...
 
Sigmas are reliable and reasonably priced. However, the heavy trigger is a major turnoff for me. I realize the trigger is made heavy by design, but a trigger that heavy negatively affects accuracy and the ability to fire follow-up shots. Moreover, if attempting to shoot precisely, your finger and wrist will get tired from the heavy pull.
 
I bought a Sigma SW40 when they first came out. I won't tell you how much I paid...because it was too much. With a LOT of practice, I adjusted to the trigger pull but never liked it much. I gave it to my eldest daughter as a college graduation present (and bought a Glock 23C). She liked it, but got annoyed when I bought the younger daughter a G32 for her college graduation. I told her that I would take it back and buy her a Glock, but she hasn't taken me up on that yet.

The Sigma is reliable, accurate enough, and if you practice enough you can shoot it well.
Dave
 
S&W SW9VE Sigma I got in 2008. Generation 3 production.
They had a $50 rebate and 2 extra mags or 4 mags total. $270 with tax. after rebate. Generation 3 production.
One can do a trigger job on them- I never did however. It is a self defence gun not a target gun for me.
step 1: takedown the slide.
step 2: remove pin at top of grip, just above thumb gaurd.
step 3: remove striker assembly, it comes out in one peice.
step 4: remove pigtail spring on back of assembly.
step 5: remove pins on assembly, this releives tension on "inner springs"
step 6: find springs on the other side of the room, remove small spring from the larger outer spring.
step 7: replace ONLY the small inner spring, replace pins on assembly, replace stiker assembly back into frame, replace "thumb gaurd pin"
 
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