SA 1911 10mm LINKLESS Questions

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Ok so I found a linkless for 599. The trigger is awesome on this gun. Kind of scary actually, it feels like a wad gun trigger its so light. Its been worked on, apparently its been worked on by a big gun smith. The gun shop guy didn’t remember his name. I will fill you in more as I find out.

I put this on lay away.

It looks like it has been cut up, I have no idea what they are supposed to look like. From what ive seen on the net they are like a GI.
 

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I'm pretty sure that Springfield Armory made the LINKLESS, not S&W. I have been wrong before.
 
If it is then it's a Springfield Omega, either a model 07 or model 92. Peters Stahl essentially created those and Springfield produced them. Great guns, they had dual extractors so you could actually change the caliber only by swapping out the barrel, recoils spring and magazine. It's an expensive piece and $599 is a great price, but you'll spend a lot putting money into fixing it up. However there is one catch, those guns, nobody makes parts for anymore. I don't mean they're hard to find someone who makes them I mean NO one makes them anymore and that gun is known for having broken parts. The only guy who MAY be able to help is Jarvis at Jarvis Customs.
 
That is the LINKLESS (fixed sight), not the OMEGA (adjustable sight). It has a single extractor not the dual (the omega has the dual). Springfield thought they could copy the Peters and Stauhl and didn't get away with it. I'm not going to say rare, but they are uncommon. Parts are hard to find at times. I have the Omega and contacted Springfield about having it tuned up so to speak. They will work on it to a point.

At $599 you got a good deal. Even though mine is picky at times, I would not sell it. It's far better for me than a glock.
 
You were not wrong. It kinda is an unauthourized copy. They thought that enough had been changed to get away with it and were advised to stop. Now take everything with a grain of salt.

I haven't seen a LINKLESS marked Peters and Stahl, that's not to say they're not out there. You will be able to find conflicting stories on both, and if you call Springfield you can get a different answer also.
 
Kanook what are the chances this gun is a converted gun. I took it apart and it looked like a normal 1911 inside. It has a Match barrel on it apparently. It has a plastic tigger in it also. With a beaver tail, this isn't normal right ? You can see the hammer on it right?
 
If the frame is marked Springfield Armory than it is a LINKLESS. It's hard for me to read your picture.
 
It appears that some custom work has been done to it. The ones I am familar with looked like a stock GI model, nothing fancy
 
When they say parts are hard to come by what exactly are they talking about? From what I've read it looks like I have a a stock 10mm frame with a linkless barrel and guide rod? It could be converted to a normal 10mm 1911 right? The serial number is sa. It begins with "nm". The frame has a parkized finish with a blued slide. I am backing out of buying this and putting money down on the delta elite
 
It has been messed with, the Linkless was of GI external appearance except for the markings. Looks like new sights, hammer, trigger, beavertail and grips.

Post a picture of the barrel and recoil spring assembly, it will be obvious to anybody who ever saw one before if it is as orginal or has been converted back to standard.
 
What's up with the dust cover?
The, what I consider, different from spec dust cover and, sometimes, grip are a Springer phenomenon. There is discussion about whether this occurred on earlier or later runs of the SA 1911-A1 frame or was a result of where they were assembled.
Here is a photo of my 1990's Edition Springer with the aforementioned dust cover and front strap:
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In this photo, from Xavier Thoughts blogspot, you can see one similar to mine, one with the same style dust cover but more to spec front strap, and one with a more to spec dust cover and front strap.
Regards,
Greg
 
As others have mentioned, Springfield Armory offered the Omega which was a Peter Stahls design. Later they came out with the SA Linkless which is similar but different to the Omega. Parts for the Omega are available from Peter Stahls in Germany. I've communicated with them via email and they can help if parts are needed. Here's a 1990's ad that Springfield Armory ran on the linkless.

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I was able to purchase this Omega three barrel set (been told one of 15 sets made) back about 1990. Wonderful workmanship and a great shooter. (38 Super, 45ACP, 10MM)
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Hope this helps
Springfield Armory


SPRINGFIELD ARMORY 10MM FIREARMS
Model Description Status Rating
Omega 5" or 6" barrel, ported or non-ported, with dual extractors and adjustable sights. Available in either all-blued or blued frame with hard chromed slide configuration. Caliber conversion kits available. Discontinued
Linkless Standard 5" Government Model style 1911, but employs a linkless barrel. Discontinued
Additional Notes: Both the Sprinfield Omega and Linkless 1911 pistols were unique designs. Unfortunately a combination of "patent infringement" problems (in the case of the Omega) and a general drop in popularity of the 10mm cartridge resulted in both guns being dropped from the Springfield catalog.




OVERVIEW

Springfield Armory was not the first gun maker to offer a 1911 format 10mm pistol. This is not to say that the Springfield 10mms were not unique, however. Both the Omega and Linkless 1911 pistols offered revolutionary modifications to the venerable 1911 Government Model design. Even though the 10mm cartridge fell from favor and was dropped by many firearms manufactureres, it is rather surprising that none of the Omega's or Linkless' updated features were retained.

DETAILS / OBSERVATIONS / SHOOTING CHARACTERISTICS

Details

Both Sprinfield Armory 10mms are derivatives of the 1911 Government Model. There are, however, significant differences between the Springfield guns and your standard 1911.


Omega - The Omega's frame is basically a standard 1911 Government model, but the slide assembly is a special design and was available in both 5" and 6" versions with either a standard blued finish or satin hard chrome (the frame was blued regardless of barrel length or slide finish). Designed by Joe Peters of Peters Stahl in Germany (West Germany at the time) the Omega slide had a number of unique features. First off, it used a linkless "modified Browning cam-lock" system. Also, since the Omega was designed to be a multi-caliber gun where only the barrel, and possibly recoil spring would need to be swapped out, Joe Peters and Tim Dillon (from Springfield Armory) designed the slide to make use of dual-extractors so that cartridges with different case head dimensions (including the 9mm, .38 Super, .38 Special Wadcutter, 10mm and .45 Auto) could be reliably extracted and ejected. Finally, these guns were available with "integral vent ports" to reduce muzzle flip. Though these guns are highly sought after by collectors, there were problems with parts breakage and since Joe Peters and Springfield Armory have terminated their partnership on the project spare parts are no longer available from either Springfield Armory or Peters Stahl.




From the December, 1987 issue of Shooting Times.







Linkless - The Springfield "Linkless" 10mm also makes use of the linkless barrel design, but there are a couple of important differences between the Omega and the Linkless. Most significantly the Linkless was not intended as a multi-caliber gun and therefore does not employ dual extractors. Secondly, the Linkless barrel still retains the more conventional locking lugs which engage recesses machined into the underneath side of top of the slide. The obvious benefit to this system is that it takes advantage of the linkless design, but can be retrofitted (with proper fitting) to existing 1911 slides. The Linkless was only available in 10mm, but it was originally planned to also be offered in .38 Super, .40 S&W and .45 ACP, as well as conversion kits so you could convert your existing 1911 to the "linkless" system.




From the April, 1991 issue of Shooting Times.




Observations

Springfield Armory has a good reputation for building quality firearms. Both the Omega and the Linkless 1911 pistols were built to these high standards, and also included a number of unique and very desireable features. Unfortunately neither the Omega or Linkless pistols has survived. In the case of the Omega the culprit was legal problems concerning certain Peters/Stahl patents. (Interestingly, an Omega-style pistol is still being built by Peters/Stahl in Germany.)

Peters/Stahl Germany




Peters/Stahl 1911 "Sport" Model


As for the Linkless, the gun's failure was simply lack of interest from the gun buying public. It is always amazing when an obviously superior product fails to be successful (such as the 10mm Auto!). There have been a number of small custom shops that use the linkless design in their 1911s, but no major manufacturer currently offers this system. I would think that the linkless design would be perfect for a line of hunting 1911s chambered in high pressure cartridges like the 10mm Auto, .45 Super, .45 SMC and .400 Super. Only time will tell if the linkless 1911 will make a comeback.

Shooting Characteristics

Unfortunately I have not had the opportunity to shoot either of the Springfield Armory 10mms. I would especially like to try out the Omega with its 6" ported barrel. As I understand it though, care must be taken when shooting the Omega as there are some concerns with parts breakage. While the parts in question are not major, they are almost impossible to find these days.
I know it's a lot of info, but it's from the website.
 
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