SA shooting tips - finding an instructor?

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guitarguy314

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Hi everyone,

I want to shoot better. I can keep most of my rounds on target at 7 yards, but I want accuracy. I want tiny groups.

Does anyone have any tips on improving accuracy with my Ruger Blackhawk?

Also, because I know that tips and advice given over the internet are useful, but not the best way to learn, I've been thinking about trying to find someone to help me in person. The problem (and my worry) is that most firearm schools might not have the know how, being more focused on self defense with automatic pistols and such... I've thought about hitting up SASS matches and asking around there, but haven't yet.

Does anyone have any ideas where else I might find someone to learn from?

Thanks for any advice you can give.

L
 
Yes, that is a problem. But some things are universal. Trigger control and a proper grip are such things. The only really SA specific issue is how the gun fits you and the proper style of hold.

First off are you a one handed or two handed shooter? A one handed shooter with an SA gun should have their pinky tucked down under the butt of the grips. This pretty much automatically positions their hand at the right position on the gun. Otherwise the tendency is to grip the SA too high up.

The rest is pretty much universal;

  • Hold the gun firmly but don't white knuckle it. If you hold too hard it becomes difficult to isolate the motion of your trigger finger from the rest of your grip. Above all you want to support the gun with NO MOVEMENT other than the trigger finger.
  • Don't pull the trigger. Instead build pressure smoothly and let the trigger move as and when it wants. Just keep following it and building the pressure smoothly.
  • Always "follow through" on the trigger. This means don't just pull to the BANG!. Pull through to the rear travel limit and hold it there. When all the smoke, noise and recoil disapates the trigger should still be on the rear travel limit.
  • Focus on the smooth pressure build and pulling to the stop. The BANG! should come as a surprise.
  • Do not EVER try to fight or control the gun in an attempt to limit or control the recoil. You'll never get the timing or effort right and all you'll get is a pattern instead of a group on the target. Work at becoming a totally stable and immovable "stump". The ONLY two things that should be moving on your body when you're shooting is your heart and your trigger finger. EVERYTHING ELSE stops for a moment during the trigger pull.

Some dry firing can help. Use dry firing to work at achieving all the goals set above before you try the whole enchilada with live ammo.

If you're performing the basics noted above and if your trigger finger is pulling the trigger from the right placement you should be able to hold your sight picture on a spot on the wall and when the hammer drops there should be no up, down or sideways movement of the sight picture. Not so much as a wiggle even when the hammer falls. This indicates a desirable neutral trigger pull with no flinch or steadiness issues.

When you get to the range do a few of these dry fire sight picture on the target you'll be shooting at to get into the groove. Then load some ammo and shoot as if you're still dry firing. Wash the fact that you're about to feel a big BANG! out of your mind and concentrate on the smooth pressure build and proper follow through. If you don't have a flinch or other issue the groups will be small.

Most Blackhawks tend to be bigger bore guns and if shooting stout loads a flinch can be a real issue. Perhaps find or load up some light loads and work on your steadiness.

When I shoot the big bore stuff with stout loads I can actually feel myself leanding towards a flinch. It shows as my eyes feeling like I'm wanting to blink in anticipation of the BANG! or my hand wanting to move or even my trigger finger "knowing" that I'm just about at the right point and pausing. None of these things are good and the group will suffer for them.

A GOOD shot will happen when it feels like you're just doing another dry fire exercise and the BANG! sounds and feels like someone a couple of bays away took the shot instead of you. When you get to that point you're going to produce some nice tight groups.
 
BCRider. Thanks for your advice.

Up until now, I've always shot two handed. I would like to be able to shoot one handed though.

I'll give all of that a try. I do need to work on my technique...

I don't think it's a flinch. I generally shoot cowboy loads, with the occasional deerstopper to liven things up.
 
For cowboy loads shooting one handed isn't that bad at all. There's certainly no need to fear that the gun will blow itself out of your grip... :D

For two handed holding use the same grip with the pinky under the butt end, unless it's a Bisley style frame, and just wrap the other hand around in a way that feels natural and supportive.

For me this typically ends up with my support hand thumb laid over the root knuckle of my strong hand and with my support hand fingers around the front of my strong hand fingers.

When you grip the gun and hold your wrist straight out the gun should align with your forearm when your wrist is at a natural straight ahead angle.

Stance counts as well. For two handed shooting I like both arms extended out equally with elbows slightly broken instead of locked. And feet square to the line of aim.

For single handed shooting a long time bullseye competitor taught me to stand at approximately a 45 degree angle to the line of aim with the gun shoulder forward. The trick then is with your arms at your side close your eyes and lift your strong hand up and point in a natural way. Open your eyes and adjust your feet slightly as needed to turn your body so you're going to point at the target. Re-check this a few times. Then shoot. I was surprised that this non strained stance made a noticeable difference to my group size.


The classic way to tell if you're flinching or not is to have a buddy load a random number of rounds in random chambers then watch as you shoot. As I said, when the hammer falls on an empty chamber the barrel should not so much as quiver. If it does then you've got some flinch.
 
The old suggestion of getting a similar 22 and shoot it a lot is more difficult today because of ammo being difficult to find at times, but its a valid learning tool. Shooting several thousand 22's to get tuned up is time and money well spent, if you can find ammo at real retail instead of scalper prices.

If there's any bullseye shoots in your area, it may be worth going to watch, and talking with some of the guys there.

7 yards, two handed, you should be making a big ragged hole, or almost touching with a decent single action revolver. Dry fire helps, and I strongly suggest snap caps, even though legend may say your gun will last several lifetimes of use and abuse without issue. Real life has a way of deflating legends. Parts break.
 
Guitar guy:

Find a NRA Pistol Instructor in your area who knows how to coach a new shooter. Probably about half actually do, get them to coach you. End of problem.
 
Thanks again BCRider

Malamute: I've heard that several times and I've always resisted it just because I don't want to shell out cash for another gun (and partially because I don't have fun shooting .22's for whatever reason). But, I'm starting to think that i just need to bite the bullet (I know, I know) and put one on my list. I wouldn't know whether to get a SA or a nice K-22 though...

I'll check and see if there are any bullseye shoots near me.

I know that I should be shooting much better with my Blackhawk. I'll definitely start doing those dry fire drills.
 
Curator: You don't think there will be a disconnect with a NRA instructor? I know that the fundamentals are all the same, but would they have the know how to compensate for the differences between single action shooting and shooting with a semi-auto?
 
Go to SASS matches, you'll be welcomed and invited to try their guns.

These old guys are the fastest single-action pistoleros around.

Most shoot two handed (which is fastest for me), but some shoot one handed, or one in each hand. Targets are big and close, so it happens fast!

If all you want is marksmanship, the same rules apply here as any other gun.
 
Guitatguy.

Not ALL NRA instructors are Glock-guys. Many are serious shooters with experience with single action revolvers as well as other shooting platforms. I am a Training counselor and I teach ALL action types to my pistol instructor candidates. I have several single action shooters (both cartridge and Cap & ball) who are instructors in my area of S.W. Florida. About half of the people wanting a NRA instructor to coach them areound here are new shooters interested in the Cowboy shooting or SASS shooting game.
 
Curator: Interesting. Are there any sites I could go to to see if there are any up here in the panhandle?
 
Are you shooting at a formal range? I can see how a 22 wouldn't seem as fun as centerfire, though the fundamentals are the same, so you can shoot far more for a reasonable amount of money.

I started with a cheap SA 22 when I was about 11, then got a Ruger Single Six not too long afterwards. I did yard work, farm work, whatever I could for money so I could by 22 shells. It was common to shoot 3-500 rds each weekend. Later, at times, 500-1000 rds regularly with the SA and a K-22. It was all informal plinking in woods and near a river, lots of random targets of opportunity, which is a lot of fun with a 22. When I saved up and bought a 357 Blackhawk a year or two later, it wasn't too hard to shoot reasonably well. I doubt I would have been able to get to the point of shooting things thrown in the air, running squirrels and rabbits, and stuff like that only shooting centerfire. The cost alone would have been prohibitive. I still shoot more 22 than anything else in rifle and pistol.

The first 22 was an RG I think. I shot it so much I wore it out, it quit working reliably. The Ruger Single Six held up much better. I think a K-22 is nearly indestructible.
 
Malamute: Yes, I am shooting at a formal range.

That's the point I want to get to! That Ed McGivern book messed me up somethin awful.

I wonder if it isn't time I reconsidered the 22... Would you recommend the Ruger SA, or the K-22 to help me get up to snuff (if I had to start with one of them)
 
If your only centerfire is the Blackhawk, then I'd go with the Single Six. Everything is the same as far as controls, reloading etc. You may be surprised how quickly you can eject all the empties from a single action after doing it tens of thousands of times.

I had access to a K-22, I shot it fairly extensively, but I'm also a big fan of the Smith DA's. The K-22 is one of the all time great guns. I'm truly surprised that anyone that's a serious student of shooting doesn't own at least one of them.

I discovered McGivern a bit later, but I was raised reading Keiths stuff. It inspired me to do all sorts of fun and different things. Most of it isn't very practical, but sure is fun, and gives a lot of confidence. If you can find a place that you can do some plinking instead of formal target shooting, you may find shooting for fun takes on a new dimension. Empty shotgun shells, cans, sticks, tall grass stems,... Once you get the basics on paper sorted out, extend your distance, and start doing other odd targets, you start to realize that the formerly unbelievable things that you read about aren't impossible. It isn't something that occasional or casual shooting will bring about. It only happens when you spent tons of time and ammo out doing it. Don't think thousands of rounds, think tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands over time. It takes an above average drive to do. I dont think most people truly like to shoot that much.
 
Malamute: Actually, I have a S&W 25-9 in 45 LC to go along with my Blackhawk. I need to get better with it as well, but one thing at a time I suppose. I've heard a lot of good things about the k-22 as well, but I also love my ruger. I'll just have to get both eventually. haha.

I'll definitely look into finding something other than a formal range. I've never just plinked before. It sounds incredibly fun.

I think that's one of my big problems. So far, casual shooting is all I've had the money to do. I'd like to be able to shoot more than once a month or so... I'll keep that in mind. Thanks again for your advice!

MODS: I AM GOING ON VACATION AND WILL BE OUT OF CONTACT FOR A WEEK, BUT I WILL BE BACK. CAN I ASK YOU NOT TO CLOSE THIS THREAD DURING THAT TIME? THANKS - L (caps just to get your attention)
 
If you're really wanting to pursue shooting to a greater degree, I think you have the answer, you'll probably get both in time.

I don't just have 22 variants because they help me with the centerfire shooting, I have them because I like them and enjoy shooting them. I don't feel I need scads of every type, and the more the merrier, I'd rather have less numbers of better quality guns. The ones you have are definitely good quality. Similar 22's will improve your shooting in general, and with those centerfire guns in particular.

Now, are you set up for reloading? :D
 
Keep practicing and you will get better. when I first got my Ruger Blackhawk in 45 I couldn't shoot better than a 8 in group at about ten yards. shot a box or two of ammo and the groups started looking good. after 1000 count box of primers and groups were looking really good. Then I graduated and started working 50+ hours a week and my groups suck again. so if you want to get better practice more. start making more difficult shots and extend the range and you'll get better.
 
Cowboy action shooters are good for general info but not so much on accuracy. The better cowboy action shooters spend their time shooting at 7-8 yards and are only interested in a flash of the front sight on a large steel target. For that game an arm hit is just as good as a center mass one. Some of us are pretty competent shooters in our own right but the CAS game is about speed not pinpoint accuracy.
 
Yeah, some cowboy shooters tend to not go big for bullseye stuff. But I'd say that MOST will do some occasional serious target shooting since cowboy matches often have handgun bonus targets which demand some serious accuracy. So I wouldn't paint all of us with the same big wide brush.
 
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