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safe to shoot off 2 rb in one cylinder w/low powder charge?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by 1858rem, Aug 29, 2008.

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  1. 1858rem

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    anybody shot two rb out of one chamber before... was thinkin 22grain of 777 an 280grain projectile(combined weight of 2 454 ball) would be fun for some extra kick an shootin milk jugs full of water. but i have noticed once you load a bullet in the cylinder it is relatively easy to tap out through the nipple hole(w/the nipple removed) so would there be an excess of pressure? and they are already sized to the barrel when you ram them home,(cylinder miked at .445, i slugged the barrel and lands miked at .444 and grooves at .446).... had an idea if this worked, put first ball in and lube pill on top of it, then the next bullet to squish the lube out an fill the space in between the two bullets. has anybody tried this? i was recently told by scrat to look up a new idea cause its probably been tried.... but through google, and searching thr i havent found ANYTHING, and would like some suggestiones before i try something stupid again, like shooting smokeless out of my c&b lol:cool:
     
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    I've done it once years ago with my Dragoon.

    If I remember right I used 30gr. FFFG Goex with 2 .457 143gr. ball, a pretty effective load at a short distance keeping both balls within a 1/4" from each other at 20 yards, but unless I was using it as a SD weapon it has very little purpose & a little bit more waste of lead than even a conical.

    Being that the Dragoon's cylinder is longer than a Remington I would think that you would have to limit the charge weight to about 20gr. but if you were to try it I would suggest using real FFFG because 777 is sensitive to compression & if compressed too much it may misfire or possibly become violent due to it's hotter than BP & you using a heavier than normal projectile weight that it needs to push.
    Black Powder will happily do the job & even loves compression but will produce with far less pressures than 777.
    IMHO 777 is not a powder to experiment with in this area.
     
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    thanks for givin me a usefull reply... i will now have now time six days of the week and Friday is my only completely free day.... so i tried it out about seven thirty and got the same results, or very similar, using 27g 777 anyhow. i believe it prob is a waste of lead though, ill take a single rb and better accuracy over a pair and diff poa plus less accuracy, i did find out how wonderfully lube pills are though. so easy to make and work like a charm:D .... thanks anyhow though
     
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    cant remember when. But the subject did come up once before. on two round balls in a cylinder. we were talking about it from a civil war point that this was done often by mistake. Same time i believe there were a few people that have done it. But quickly figured out it was not worth it. Now ideally by theory if you have two round balls coming out of the same chamber same barrel at the same time from the same charge. They should go through the same hole. However that was not the case. It was inconsistant. To the point that differenty chambers in the cylinders would give different results. Same time every throw of the hammer would put the balls 1/4 of an inch apart or even more. i researched this once. it seems the problem is the back bullet is getting the pressure and the bang from the charge the ball in front is being pushed by the back ball. Since it was not under pressure as the back one. it is sort of pushed out of the way. the only way to avoid this and to have both balls act as one would be to use some type of filler in between both balls as they would have to be very very tightly pushed agaisnt each other. you would almost have to use a conical flat faced kinda like a barrel with no round ends on each side otherwise the rear ball is pushing the front. Instead of both getting the benefits of the charge. This is why its a no go. So ya its already been tried and it doesnt work. All your doing is waisting lead. Again we are back to the load it per the manual and shoot for accuracy
     
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    Maybe you need a LeMat, that way if you want lots of holes just flip the hammer down and touch off the center barrel. What's with the 777 stuff? I thought the fun of Blackpowder was the smell and smoke of, well blackpowder! :D
     
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    the dream revolver
     
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    777 makes a TON of smoke.... i was out in the woods (could be part of it) its a sugar based, non sulpher bp sub, hell... the way i jus explained it i dont even know if they put any kno3 in it either, but i couldn see a thing cause of all the smoke, but its 777 or pyro round here cant find any bp at all. i did see a post on here.. somethin like 10 lb order bein $135 includin hazmat? definately be my next order..less i get a mill an make some faster bp, . ooh, i also had a really GOOD idea for a target that im sure has to have been used before... when i was fluxing out all my lead id pour it off into a steel bowl, let it cool dup it out and do several of these untill all my lead was clean, well they are about 3.5-4 in around, 1.5 in thick, and when you shoot them the lead stays in the target... so you dont ever have to get more lead or dig out old slugs. they just smush together... good 25 yd target. and if you good you can keep em rollin lol:D:evil:
     
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    i have looked at the LeMat a lot....but to hell with 750$ im not that rich lol:eek:
     
  9. scrat

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    everyone has looked at the lemat. however i would much rather get a sharps. 45-90 or 45-110
     
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    I like the extra shots ability of the Lemat but I don't like the awkwardness it looks & kinda feels to me "had one in my hands years ago & it didn't feel right in my hands."

    27gr. of 777 is pretty much a max load in the replica '58's & that's with a single ball so I'd use that load sparingly with anything other than ball, but that's just my opinion, I'll stick with my Goex & Pyrodex P for my C&B revolvers "plenty of punch with less pressure & cheaper too"
     
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    What was that revolver that was posted a while back that had 12 cylinders and was just friggen huge. Do any of you guys remember that one
     
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    i know that hodgen says reduce 777 load by 15% but it really seems fine shootin up to about 45g an a 200g conical. 47g 777 sounds different, to the point i dont hear anything but a thump an my ears hurt like hell. normally i wear ear protection because shootin 110g 777 an a 250g real from my .45rifle f@%&#d my ears up to where i get super bad head aches w in protection... 2 an a half yr or so later an having had my 44 bout 18 months.. and never actually hearing what it sounded like without plugs i decided to take em out to know what it would sound like. well i prob shouldn have tried 47g 777 as my first load to hear, no pop, or boom, just a thump an pain. it quit an hour or so later. today when i tried the double rb i shot off a few cylinders full, but forgot my plugs, shootin27g 6 times killed my head. ears are still ringin right now and i had the gun cleaned an put up by 9, so its been ringin quite a while. they used to all the time, i gotta be carefull now lol, i like to hear stuff.
     
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    no i havent heard of a 12 but i think the LeMat had nine, revolving rifle would be nice too.... not a carbine though:rolleyes:
     
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    omg now i have heard everything tonight. Please where your ear plugs. Good thing no one was shooting a full load WALKER. I once set off a car alarm with my WALKER that was over 100 yards away. It was classic. The guy moved his car further back. Then set his alarm again. (go figure setting an alarm at an outdoor range). So i pulled out my .50 cva and loaded up 3 50/50 pellots behind a .45sabot. KAAAAA BOOOOOOM.


    honk honk honk honk goes the alarm again. i had to stop shooting for about 10 minutes i was laughing so hard
     
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    nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D didja know the guy or justa stranger
     
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    stranger. nope. sure was fun though.
     
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    i gotta see how close i have to get to set off a car alarm, lots of fun, especially roun strangers and carryin a big ol honkin gun. i gotta work 9-9 today/in the morning so im outta here. thanks for the info.
     
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    OK, 1858rem, you got me. Who are you really? I appreciate April 1st jokes but only on April 1st. Come on out, take credit for the joke and let's end this nonsense. You're taking up people's (posters) time and putting stupid ideas out there for legitimate young people who might be truly interested in learning about black powder shooting. If you are indeed who you say you are, and have done the things you say you have, then get your money back on that lobotomy because it made things worse.
     
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    just asking questions.... ill smarten up soon enough
     
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    OK this sounds really fishy!
    First off using real Goex FFFG I can cram only 37.5gr. into either of my Pietta '58's & still have room to just clear the barrel using a 200gr. or a 220gr. Lee Conical bullet, I can just barely squeeze 42gr. & a .457 143gr. ball into the same cylinder so when you say that you can load 45-47gr. into these cylinders & use a conical over top makes me wonder if you're pulling our leg or something.


    Now as far as you shooting without hearing protection as much as you say makes me think that you need some help, I understand maybe a cylinder load every once in a while & maybe a barrel load in your rifle or shotgun every once in a while "I do that my self to sortof have a subconcience idea of what to expect when I use them during hunting & what not" but not as often as you've mentioned, if I don't have any hearing protection & none is available then I may shoot a cylinder load, one or two loads in my rifle/shotgun then I'm going home because my hearing is precious to me.
     
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    Triple 7 is more compressible than BP; the maker advises not to compress it heavily, but if you do, more fits into the cylinder. (The same is true of American Pioneer Powder.)
     
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    And Welcome to THR Sir Ocelot
     
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    Compressing 777 is simply a recipe for ftf's and inconsistent burns, thus results.
     
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    What's that you say? Get smart or die trying? :D
     
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    200g lee is shorter than a 220 lee, cant even fit it under my ram. 200 is not a whole lot longer than a rb, bout 1/2in vs .454, and just to check i completely filled my chamber to the top and it held just a hair over 60g 777 powder maybe 61 very close. standard cylinder too. so i don't know what to say, it just holds it? and the 777 will compress very well. i don't think you want more than light pressure on the charge though. otherwise you get erratic results. it is just fun to shoot heavy loads like that sometimes. lots of noise and lots of smoke. im not here to fool anyone. i wear hearing protection all the time now, but yesterday i was in a bit of a hurry to try a few different loads, including the 2 rb, accuracy with a single rb, paper cartridge(as far as if the paper burns up or clogs the chamber), lube pills, shot loads, and accurate loads of powder and ball, conical with the new 777 i got. and a midst all this i forgot to wear the plugs once, for a single cylinder of 27g 777 and 2 rb. the 47g load was a month ago i guess and before that it must have been at least a year or better since i had not worn ear protection. i dont have any time during the week so i gotta cram everything into friday.. had 2 hrd yesterday to shoot. this week ill plan things out better, remember ear protection, and check up on things i thing may potentially be dangerous before i attempt them
     
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