Driftwood Johnson
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From time to time it will be stated on this page, or other pages similar to this, that a wider barrel/cylinder gap than normal is needed when shooting Black Powder to help prevent the cylinder from binding.
I have routinely maintained that this is not true. As evidence I usually state that I regularly shoot Black Powder through a variety of guns, Colts, Rugers, and replica colts, and every single one of them has its original, untouched factory barrel/cylinder gap. They all measure between .005 and .008. I also have moderated this statement by saying that if the gap is really tight, down around .002 or so, it may need to be opened up a bit, but that is the only case when a barrel/cylinder gap needs to be opened up, and even then, .005 - .008 is plenty. The trick, of course, is to use a bullet liberally coated with plenty of Black Powder compatible bullet lube, and the gun should have a good sized cylinder bushing to deflect fouling blasted from the barrel/cylinder gap away from the cylinder pin. Revolvers that are particularly lacking in a good sized bushing are the S&W Top Break reproductions made by Uberti, and the 1858 Remington New Model Army.
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I have always liked the appearance of the Bisley Colt. I'm not talking about Ruger's version of the Bisley, I am talking about the original Colt Bisley. The first Bisley I ever saw was an Uberti replica, and ever since then I have liked the unusual look of the Bisley. I decided that if I ever got the chance, I would love to own one.
Recently I became the proud owner of an original Bisley Colt, made in 1908 and chambered for 44 Special. The barrel and cylinder are not original, the original barrel would have said Bisley Model on it. I am pretty sure this barrel is a 2nd Gen barrel, judging by the way it is marked. The cylinder appears to me to be a 1st Gen cylinder, but I am pretty sure it is not original either since Colt did not chamber the SAA for 44 Special until 1913, and Kuhnhausen says no Bisleys ever left the factory chambered for 44 Special.
None of that really means too much, I was told when I bought the gun that the cylinder and barrel were not original. Nobody was trying to pull the wool over my eyes. I may letter the gun at some point to find out more about it.
But what does all this have to do with tight B/C gaps and Black Powder you ask? Well, it turns out this gun has a very tight Barrel/Cylinder gap. Only around .003. When I bought it, I intended to shoot it in CAS, and of course I intended to shoot it with Black Powder. I already load 44 Russian with Black Powder, and that is what I expected to shoot in the Bisley for CAS.
The first trip to the range was just a shake down cruise with Smokeless 44 Special loads. It performed like a champ, hitting pretty much at point of aim at standard CAS pistol distances.
Next, I took it completely apart, doused all the parts in lacquer thinner to completely remove all oils, then reassembled it, liberally lubing it with Ballistol. This is pretty much my standard procedure for any revolver that I intend to mainly shoot with Black Powder.
My 44 Russian loads have 1.3CC (about 20 grains) of Schuetzen FFg under a 200 grain Mav-Dutchman Big Lube bullet sized to .428 and lubed with SPG. Seating the bullets and crimping them at the crimp groove compresses the powder just a tad under 1/8". I slugged the bore of the revolver, and it came out right at .428. The .428 bullets were also a good fit in the chamber mouths, they just need a little bit of a poke to push them through. My only fear was that with that .003 B/C gap, I might need to open it up a bit.
I grabbed 100 of my BP 44 Russian rounds and headed back to the range. After about 50 rounds the cylinder did start to bind a little bit. Not enough to really be a problem though. By the end of the 100 rounds the gun was complaining a bit, but it was still shooting and cocking the hammer still rotated the cylinder, although it was getting a bit sticky.
I was very happy. Clearly, 100 rounds is much more than I will be putting through it at any CAS match. At any regular six stage match I will probably only be putting 30 rounds through it. Even at an eight stage match, 40 rounds should be no problem, and if it does start to bind a bit, I can always pull the cylinder and wipe it down a bit. Recoil with just 20 grains of FFg is very mild. I may load up some 44 Specials with a little bit more powder in them, or I may just shoot the old girl with those light Russian loads.
From time to time it will be stated on this page, or other pages similar to this, that a wider barrel/cylinder gap than normal is needed when shooting Black Powder to help prevent the cylinder from binding.
I have routinely maintained that this is not true. As evidence I usually state that I regularly shoot Black Powder through a variety of guns, Colts, Rugers, and replica colts, and every single one of them has its original, untouched factory barrel/cylinder gap. They all measure between .005 and .008. I also have moderated this statement by saying that if the gap is really tight, down around .002 or so, it may need to be opened up a bit, but that is the only case when a barrel/cylinder gap needs to be opened up, and even then, .005 - .008 is plenty. The trick, of course, is to use a bullet liberally coated with plenty of Black Powder compatible bullet lube, and the gun should have a good sized cylinder bushing to deflect fouling blasted from the barrel/cylinder gap away from the cylinder pin. Revolvers that are particularly lacking in a good sized bushing are the S&W Top Break reproductions made by Uberti, and the 1858 Remington New Model Army.
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I have always liked the appearance of the Bisley Colt. I'm not talking about Ruger's version of the Bisley, I am talking about the original Colt Bisley. The first Bisley I ever saw was an Uberti replica, and ever since then I have liked the unusual look of the Bisley. I decided that if I ever got the chance, I would love to own one.
Recently I became the proud owner of an original Bisley Colt, made in 1908 and chambered for 44 Special. The barrel and cylinder are not original, the original barrel would have said Bisley Model on it. I am pretty sure this barrel is a 2nd Gen barrel, judging by the way it is marked. The cylinder appears to me to be a 1st Gen cylinder, but I am pretty sure it is not original either since Colt did not chamber the SAA for 44 Special until 1913, and Kuhnhausen says no Bisleys ever left the factory chambered for 44 Special.
None of that really means too much, I was told when I bought the gun that the cylinder and barrel were not original. Nobody was trying to pull the wool over my eyes. I may letter the gun at some point to find out more about it.
But what does all this have to do with tight B/C gaps and Black Powder you ask? Well, it turns out this gun has a very tight Barrel/Cylinder gap. Only around .003. When I bought it, I intended to shoot it in CAS, and of course I intended to shoot it with Black Powder. I already load 44 Russian with Black Powder, and that is what I expected to shoot in the Bisley for CAS.
The first trip to the range was just a shake down cruise with Smokeless 44 Special loads. It performed like a champ, hitting pretty much at point of aim at standard CAS pistol distances.
Next, I took it completely apart, doused all the parts in lacquer thinner to completely remove all oils, then reassembled it, liberally lubing it with Ballistol. This is pretty much my standard procedure for any revolver that I intend to mainly shoot with Black Powder.
My 44 Russian loads have 1.3CC (about 20 grains) of Schuetzen FFg under a 200 grain Mav-Dutchman Big Lube bullet sized to .428 and lubed with SPG. Seating the bullets and crimping them at the crimp groove compresses the powder just a tad under 1/8". I slugged the bore of the revolver, and it came out right at .428. The .428 bullets were also a good fit in the chamber mouths, they just need a little bit of a poke to push them through. My only fear was that with that .003 B/C gap, I might need to open it up a bit.
I grabbed 100 of my BP 44 Russian rounds and headed back to the range. After about 50 rounds the cylinder did start to bind a little bit. Not enough to really be a problem though. By the end of the 100 rounds the gun was complaining a bit, but it was still shooting and cocking the hammer still rotated the cylinder, although it was getting a bit sticky.
I was very happy. Clearly, 100 rounds is much more than I will be putting through it at any CAS match. At any regular six stage match I will probably only be putting 30 rounds through it. Even at an eight stage match, 40 rounds should be no problem, and if it does start to bind a bit, I can always pull the cylinder and wipe it down a bit. Recoil with just 20 grains of FFg is very mild. I may load up some 44 Specials with a little bit more powder in them, or I may just shoot the old girl with those light Russian loads.