Saiga Ak 7.62x39 blew up in face

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A week ago, several friends and I took my new Saiga out back to light up some pop cans. At a previous gun show I purchased a case of Wolf for some plinking and couldn't wait to get a feel for the AK.
Things were going great through-out the first five mags.(loaded half way) Lot's of holes and smoking crevaces. I loaded a mag with 5 shots and stepped to our impromptu firing line. BANG... let me emphasize... !! BANG!! :eek:
After the smoke settled and the ringing stopped, I did a finger check and took a damage report.

Action / not in action
Magazine / instant disassembly
Dust cover/ dusted

So much for my new toy. The slide was not about to slide. The dust cover was completely distorted and can only be described as "off its tracks," The magazine's side blew out, the spring (in receiver) was visible from non-taken down stance and appeared to also be distorted.(making it a female dog to eventually take down)

{I had a similar situation with a friend's bull-pup mini-14. Had a "hot" load, thanks to buddy-boy, which resulted in an expanded casing and locked action.}

Anyhow, a friend helped me take down the Saiga to start trouble-shooting. At this point I had no idea if the casing had ejected or not. After hammering the bolt, it turned out to be an expanded cartridge. I wasn't about to trash the gun, so we got a proffesional point of view. 15 minutes later, the local gun shop owner (an AK enthusiast) was shaking his head. He'd never seen an AK so distorted from an event such as I had explained. His proffesional opinion was that the gun was trashed, and the ammo was to blame. Already preparing for the gun/ammo fight between Saiga/Wolf, we contacted the one which appeared to cause the fault first.

To my surprise, Wolf agreed to pay 100% for the weapon and substitute the bad batch of ammo I had, for a "fresh" batch. They are even sending a postage paid box for the ammo. No damage pics or need of the scrap metal Saiga. All they were told was that a Gunsmith had inspected it, and verified the ammo was the culprit.

I am lucky for walking away unscathed (a testiment to AK safety/dependability) I guess Wolf was even more lucky. $400 dollars compared to multi-million injury/ wrongfull death lawsuit.
Wolf will always carry a stigma to me, but have heard this was an honest fluke. The customer service helped alot, and I won't complain.

btw- Has anyone else had ammo problems like this with Wolf? It was just surprising how quick they were to cut the check with little question. :confused:
 
+1 for Wolf I spose. Now take that new case they are going to send you and "properly" dispose of all of the ammo through your new AK ;). Just in case you know.
 
this is the second weapons I've heard of being damaged by bad wolf ammo, and this is also the second time I've heard of Wolf paying for repairs/replacement and replacing the bad lot of ammo...


I won't hesitate to shoot it when the .308 mil-surp supply dries up...
 
Glad you are OK. Good / bad for Wolf. We have not had any 7.62x39 issues with Wolf ammo - just the usual AR15 sanitary issues. We have had very good luck with the Silver Bear match effect bullet 7.62x39 ammo.
 
this is the second weapons I've heard of being damaged by bad wolf ammo, and this is also the second time I've heard of Wolf paying for repairs/replacement and replacing the bad lot of ammo...


And Alexander arms is going to have Wolf load their 6.5 Grendel round for the commercial market. Should be interesting!! :uhoh: :confused:
 
Very odd. I've fired thousands of Wolf ammo in 7.62x39mm. Matter of fact, I like Wolf 7.62x39mm better than more expensive branches. Never had a single problem, let alone weapon exploding.

It sounds like a fluke. Stuff happens. Wolf obviously went out of their way to make good to ya. Replacing weapon and ammo. Better it never happened in the first place, but at least you didn't have a RMA/Bear Coat like struggle.
 
Never actually heard of Wolf causing a KaBoom!, but glad to hear that they will take responsibility and make things right.

Usually, it is the Indian and POF stuff that is causing the problems.
 
And Alexander arms is going to have Wolf load their 6.5 Grendel round for the commercial market. Should be interesting!!

Isn't Wolf just an importer or somesuch? I am pretty sure their match .22lr stuff is German.
 
Isn't Wolf just an importer or somesuch? I am pretty sure their match .22lr stuff is German.

Yep, I think so. Their .22 is supposed to be excellent ammo, but its much more than I want to spend for .22.

Also, they are supposed to be importing a brass-cased, match-grade 7.5x55 Swiss round this year. They don't actually do the producing though, just importing.
 
I have shot untold thousands of rounds of Wolf ammo in various calibers (mostly 9mm and 7.62x39mm), both their lacquered and polymer-coated cases.

While their stuff surely isn't match grade, I've found it to be remarkably consistent, 100% reliable, particularly in x39.

I love their "100% Performance Guarentee", where they offer to buy back/replace any defective ammunition even though I've fortunately never had to use it. I've never heard of them doing the same thing with damaged guns, but they get +1 from me for it.

Any sort of mass-produced product has errors and mistakes. Such is life. I'm glad that Wolf is willing to replace both gun and ammo. I'm even more happy that nobody was hurt in this incident.

I hope that this incident doesn't sully your view of Wolf -- they actually manufacture (in Russia at Tula) and import quite good stuff at dirt-cheap prices. I can't wait until they load .30-06 Springfield, which they said they'd have out in the summer. I wish that American companies could make ammo as cheaply (with the same quality) as Wolf; I've always wondered why American companies don't introduce steel-cased discount lines of ammo?
 
I use Wolf in 7.62x39. Only "problems" I've ever had have been dirty, and less than match grade accuracy. Reliability has been 100%. I keep a mag of it in my VEPR in the safe, "just in case".

I'll give Wolf points for replacing your weapon and ammo with no hassle. That sort of customer service is rare these days. I will now shoot it with more confidence than I did before. Thanks for sharing.

I would also like to see pics of your blown up gun, if you are able to provide them.
 
Man aint that wild?

My Savage .223, Marlin 60 and my Saiga have all digested hundreds of rounds of wolf. My Saiga, since I've had it has chewed on about 2-3000 rounds and I've not so much as ever had a single misfire. I cant say the same for Winchester or Remmington. Barnual, or silverbear are both in the same boat. It is, bar none the absolute most reliable ammunition I have ever had the great pleasure of using. If Wolf had a load for the .30-30 I'd hunt with it, I already have a few Coyotes felled by .223 Wolf loads. Wolf is infact probably my most beloved Firearm, or firearm accessory company I can fathom. Good prices. Great performance and an excellent record for customer service, a real stand up company.


I salute our fallen komrad, may the Poor Antelope enjoy the big range in the sky.


Chernomyrdin and his favorite toy
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I bought some Wolf for my AK's a year or two ago. I had duds in both 7.62 and 5.45. I also found 5.56 rounds in the 5.45 boxes. IMO Wolf quality control sucks. I have used Russian Bear and Barnaul since and have not had any problems. I'll never use Wolf again.
 
Pics of the mess

I personally do not have a digital camera, but the friend who helped me in this ordeal does. The pics would be cool to see.. in a sad sort of way :(

I guess there is a kind of beauty in broken art...
 
It's hard to see tho with this sort of ammo - quite how a kaboom round occurs. Generally, a rifle round has case near full to capacity with normal load - so hardly much space left for enough more to cause harm (I'd think).

Other thing could be a case filled with incorrect - read too fast a burn rate - powder. Unlikely or a whole batch would have produced kabooms in 100's of guns.

So - I am intrigued let's say - as to just how a round can be this disabling to a rifle - one as essentially tough as a Saiga or any AK clone.
 
Thinking further - wonder if a case structural fault to blame - separation at base etc ... but then you'd expect that to be contained... hmmm. It sounds like energy escaped to rear with the damage description. This is intriguing.
 
I'm very suspicious. No offence intended but your a new members, with a somewhat fantastical story. AK's in general are VERY tough rifles, Saiga's especially so. I dont know if its impossible but I cant really imagine, in my head how this would happen.

I just cant get my head around this, will certainly need photos.
 
more senior member verification

AKluvr is the friend who helped me and has the camera. The rifle is currently in his possesion. On top of posting pics, he can personally verify this "story."
Unfortunately this has been a busy week for us both, as we are starting new jobs. (mine requires relocation)

I can understand your skeptisism, the gunsmith himself was flabbergasted at the damage. I am positive about the exagerated report, as the hearing protection being used did not provide equal protection compared to immediate proceeding shots fired.

If you guys want pics, you'll have to help me bug AKluvr.
btw, we left the expanded casing in the rifle on the gunsmith's advice.
(in case we needed to prove anything for warranty purposes)

-When we got the action to move the extractor actually broke a triangular section off of the casing. Tried to hammer case out with cleaning rod ( before consulting gunsmith) but the rod punched through and was a pain to remove.(rod only, case is practically welded in) :fire:
an interesting side note on damage/ on the side of receiver where it says Russia, there is now a dimple outward// did not notice this before incident.
 
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