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I recently picked up a 22" .308 Saiga with beautiful wood furniture like the one here:
http://www.raacfirearms.com/Saiga_308.htm

The rifle was brand new, but was missing the factory low-cap magazine. The guy at the shop gave me two brand new Surefire 20 rd mags and I have purchased two 25 rounders since then.

Here's the issue: I really don't want to do a full conversion to take the rifle to the range and test out the "high-cap" mags legally. I like the looks of the rifle as is and I actually don't have a problem with the factory trigger pull. (I have other AK's so I know the difference).

So, what is the absolute minimum I can do to the rifle to be compliant with 922R? I know I could just buy 10 rounders for range use, but I would like to know that my larger mags actually function (in case I should have to utilize my 2nd amendment rights).

I've been doing some research and getting a bunch of differing opinions. I think I saw one post on the Saiga-12 forum that said the 22" rifles don't fall under the 922 law specifically because of the overall length of the rifle. Any truth to that?

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
Stick some dowels in your mags so they only hold 10 rounds.

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I've been doing some research and getting a bunch of differing opinions. I think I saw one post on the Saiga-12 forum that said the 22" rifles don't fall under the 922 law specifically because of the overall length of the rifle. Any truth to that?
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Out of all the good info over there, you found a "stinker".

All Saigas fall under 922r no matter what caliber or length.
 
Hi, I posted this message awhile back and didn't really get the kind of info I was hoping for. I think I'll try again and see if I can get some help this time.

Basically I want to use hi-cap mags with my .308 Saiga without doing a conversion on it. I need to replace only 1 part with a US-made one. Does anybody know where I could get a US-made disconnector or hammer that will simply replace the factory Saiga part?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the regular Tapco hammers and disconnectors wont just drop in without replacing the whole fire control group, which would require a conversion.

I don't even know if I'm making sense at this point. Does anyone know what I mean?
 
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Assuming it's the same as the x39 version in that area, one ot two of the Tapco parts can drop in, and you keep the stock trigger and link.

Also assuming similarity, the next most common part is the gas piston. Easy job, if you have a drill press or a power drill and a steady hand.

Then just use US magazines, and you're golden.
 
I know it's not relevant in this case, but please add your location to your profile. It'd help if anyone is trying to identify certain laws that need to be abided by.
 
Where are the Compliance Police?

I haven't ever met anyone that has ever asked me if my Saiga was in compliance with 922r. I personally think this is one of those laws that like so many others only comes into play if you are caught commiting a crime and the local D.A. wants to add more crimes to you sentence.

Has anyone ever had someone in any branch of law enforcement ask if they could check their weapon to see if it was in compliance?
I don't know anyone that has.

I will not modify my Saiga just so I can "LEGALLY" use my 30rd ProMag magazines,which are made for this gun and fit without having to modify anything on it. Just my 2 cents!
 
Txhillbilly, you can and will be prosecuted for breaking 922r compliance laws.

Many shooting ranges ask about 922r compliance on AK type rifles at one time or another and you WILL get in trouble if it is not.

I heartily recommend you follow all applicable state and federal laws.

~Norinco
 
I have never heard of any persons working at shooting ranges asking "Are you in compliance with 922r?". That is from privately owned ranges, to ranges run by the state.
With the high cap mags only, you are not in compliance, as per 922r.
So either buy 10 rounders, or run with the mags, and add/change out a couple of things.
 
I have a machine gun a no one has EVER asked to see my paperwork. Is always with me just in case.
 
Go to the Saiga forum and ask, do a conversion with US parts, add a muzzle brake depending on the model, replace the piston and regulator with US parts, BUY A FACTORY MAG.
 
Factory mags don't violate compliance since the rifle is in original configuration
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Incorrect. The law is that a rifle, of any configuration, cannot carry more than 10 rounds and have more than 10 foreign-made parts off the list. Whether or not it has a pistol grip or shotgun-style stock is irrelevant.

Edit: got the point, after the fact. But the original configuration still doesn't matter.
 
I will not modify my Saiga just so I can "LEGALLY" use my 30rd ProMag magazines,which are made for this gun and fit without having to modify anything on it. Just my 2 cents!
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Wow. For the cost of the parts, call it 50 for FCG and 20 for a piston, you can be legal - that's less than the cost of one hour with a lawyer...and you'll need more than one hour if you were charged. $70 bucks vs. a potential felony is up to you; but if you ever shot an intruder with it, or went to a range at the wrong time... well, that's why we have overcrowding in jails. Good luck to you, sir. You'll need it.

King Red - I'm thinking about picking one up, and I'd love to see a shooting report; accuracy and how it likes different types of ammo. Happy shooting. -D
 
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